weighted collars and harnesses

Weighted collars rest on the dogs shoulders and base of the neck,the common misconception is that they are tight fitting 20 pound choke collars,they are not...also i find the man stopper comment funny,they'd stop a man if they truely wanted to,lol...man stopping guard dogs dont make that disision,they gguard all the time,its not a issue if they want to or not,and of course i know apbts arent supposed to be natural guards but then again im talking about my dog,and he was a bandogge..

 

Wow Watcher, for one, you have no idea if I am just beginning in these dogs. I have been around them for 15 years and owned them for 10. I may not know as much as you but do not classify me as a complete novice. My posts are directed at those that are not doing any competition and are just throwing weights on dogs for the sake of adding muscle. It is an unneeded strain on the dog. I think you misinterpreted my point.

As you said, which I completely agree, weights in any fashion are not for novices.

I don't know of any non-stressful, non-abrasive ways to condition your dog. However, why does all these people need to put weights on their dog when they are obviously not doing any real competion? That is my point. If you want your dog in shape, just for the sake of keeping the dog in shape, you don't need weights.

You have your opinions and I have mine. Take it as you will. I posted in a manner to ask questions and possibly learn something as well as exhibit differing points of view from other members. Hence, the many questions. I did not post anything as a know it all. At least that wasn't my intention. I believe you misinterpreted the whole tone and purpose of my posts.

 

Exactly my point.

 

I'm heavily involved in weightpull. I use everything springpoles, flirtpoles, running, walking,and lots of drag weight and track time. BUT I have never used weighted collars or anything similiar. And as far as I know, nobody I'm associated with does'nt either. It really seems pointless. Just another way for someone to profit off of our great breed.

 

The APBT is one of the most strongest toughest baddest animal in the world pound for pound and you comparing it to a horse LOL.......Its like me saying if my cat or parrot couldnt handle the weighted collar what makes me think that my APBT can handle it lol.....hahaahahahahahahahahaha.......a horse is a WUSS compared to the APBT.

 

A race horse is not a wuss. Have you ever been on a race horse or even seen one up close? They are the ultimate animal athlete. If you are true aficianado of performance apbt's you could not help but be in awe of a well conditioned thoroughbred. Thoroughbreds make millions....yeah millions. There is a reason for that.


I think what Mia was trying to say is she believes a weighted collar is unnesessary as do I. I do not claim to be a conditioning guru or even well schooled with bulldogs. The way I see it is how does it help the dog. Is there a real benefit for the dog in performance. Otherwise why do it.


Most all of use who visit this board are into performance over aesthetics. We are into what gives real results, not like others who want a squatty, wide, "impressive" looking, 80+ pound, blue, "pit", that couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag. I'd liken dogs to humans. Look at MMA fighters and boxers. They are for the most part very well conditioned athletes. But they only do exercises that relate to fighting. A lot of them, not all, actually stay away from weight lifting in preference for plyometric exercises that have proven more useful for their disciplines. The best MMA fighter pound for pound in the world, Fedor Emilianenko lifts no weights. Remember, it's not a bodybuilding contest. Tank Abbott can bench 600 pounds, but he'd get destroyed by Fedor.


My point is, is the time and effort put into using a weighted collar or harness really friutful? Would more time on a spring pole be as good if not better? I don't know the answer. What is the real benefit of the weighted collar?

 

let me tell you something if you are doing everything you say you are doing to that dog work out wise i feel sorry for you that is to big of a dog to be doing that all i have to say is bad hips hope the dog wont need surgary when its older.

 

Take a look at the muscle definition in the back of that dogs legs and tell me im doing something in correct.Also observe the position of this collar[at the base of the neck resting on the shoulders] and the quality of its construction and the padding..what works for some dogs wont work for others and this dog would definetly run circles around many half its size.
Would he have been a impressive animal without it,most definetly,but it didnt hurt,again any dog showing crippling effects from a minimal amount of stress is a cull.Anyways you all make good points,more power to you all and your beliefs.
Lets just realize that with responsable usage,collars and harnesses with weight are only detrimental to the crippled dog predisposed to such defects...

 

I dont know about ya'll but I think it's about time this topic was deleted...It's full of tree hugers trying to bitch about something they know nothing about. Anything can be dangerous if not done correctly, but to say that it's dangerous no matter what...that's just ignorant. What's the differents in a weighted collar and a large chain?-nothing- And a spring pole (IMO) is one of the most dangerous training methods out there BUT if you are experienced with it then there is a less of a chance that you'll injur your animal. It's all in the handler, if an idiot puts a weighted collar on his dog 24/7 because he wants a "bad ass" bulldog, then yeah it's harmful. But if you use one while you exercise your dog then whats the problem? I personally stick to walking, running, and good old fashioned fethch and I'm very impressed with the results. I let Boudreaux pull my nephew and other things around from time to time but he's just turned a year old and I plan to make a great weight puller outta him, therefore I'm trying to start off easy and build him up.

It's just driving me crazy seeing some of you bitch about something you know nothing about...And for the kid who made the remark about listing my dog's sizes on my site, GROW UP.

 

Although I know the answer to your question its best you find out on your own through your own experiences since you feel like you a true afficianado of performance bulldogs lol.

 

I'm curious, Saiygain, as to where I compared the strength of an APBT to that of a racing Thoroughbred? However, there is a lot that I can compare between the two but that is not was/is not my intentions here. If you don't understand the post, well, I'm sorry.

 

Hmmm...you said you are very impressed with the results. If you would have 2 absolutely alike looking dogs(so to say twins) and you would train one with weights and the other not.....well then you could judge and suddenly you would not be impressed at all anymore. Dogs are not Bodybuilder if you see dogmuscles you see 95-98 % genetic.

 

Well lets hear the awswer from a self proclaimed "expert" like you! You must be an expert the way you take every opportunity to call anyone an amateur who disagrees with the all knowing Saiyagin, LOL. So lets hear it expert what is the benefit of placing weights where they were never ment to naturally nor physiologically be? Come on smart guy.....help out all us amateurs on this board, LOL hahaha. Oh and by the way Fedor kicked Cro Cop ass.

 

I agree with Watcher.....they are unnecaessary for petbulls or dog owners just keeping there dog in shape!
Using a weighted collar or weighted vest is helpfull for improving physical performance and that is already proven with science and pro sports training!
When used properly in "training only" and not "all day everyday" combined with a strict diet and plenty of rest it will improve speed, power and agility!
Been using it for years to build strength and muscular endurance in my charge and very happy with the results!

YIS

 

Oh come on now you want me to do all your homework for you? LOL....everybody now days wants easy free answers without doing anywork themselves and EXPECTS the more experienced dog men to give em a free hand out when we the ones doing all the work and you benefit from our labor and hard work not too mention all the risks involved. I aint all knowing but I do know alot when it comes to APBT lol.....So go out and get your own feet wet and experience it for yourself and learn to stand on your own two feet instead of relying on free answers. I know Fedor kicked Cro cops ass as he is the better fighter Im not disputeing that I like Fedor and feel he is one of the best fighters in his weight class Im just saying is that he in not undefeatable.

 

You make absolutely no sense...So if I have "geneticly" muscular dog and let him just eat and lay around, and I have a dog that I work with on building muscle tone...I wont be able to see the difference?

Think before you post.

 

I disagree 100% if the dog is a big working dog than that's it- a BIG WO(RKING Dog. If hes doing it hecan handle it.

 

I think Iam one of that rare people who think always before they post and if you would think after reading my post you would understand my point....unless you have really no idea at all. Listen, a genetically muscular dog need just a walk every day to stay in awesome shape. The 2 dogs I talked about were both trained the good ole Bulldogway (Springpole ,Flirtpole, Roadwork, Swimming, and some good walks just for fun.) And one of this dogs get the weights we talk about(and the other not) and if you THEN after a couple of times would judge the dogs.....you wouldnt find the impressing difference. I believe some of the people who use this weights are only too decayed to move their dogs right.....

 

well first of all that post doesn't look like it has all the thought you claim to put into your posts.

the APBT is always touted as the ultimate athlete. with that said althletic training in every sport has evolved greatly over the past 100 years. especially weight training. just because you don't keep up with the latest methods doesn't mean they don't work.

then you propose comparing dogs that have and have not weight trained. you say "THEN after a couple of times would judge the dogs". that's like saying after a "couple of times" of the flirt pole or any of the other methods of training you like you could see a difference. that is completely absurd.

you act as though you have performed one method of training vs. the other. have you? if not it's probablly not a good idea to jump to judgements until you have.

there have been good points made on both sides on this topic. the best point in favor would be "done correctly" you can't overdo the weight. you can't make it a permant piece of jewelry on you dog. you have to start out small and work up. done wrong you probablly could hurt your dog. done correctly it should be fine and increase stamina.

 

Was thinking the same thing Boogieman!

YIS