weighted collars and harnesses

Please explain

 

How is a springpole a "natural" thing...

 

ceartinly,it adds just a bit of toning,im mean im not just talking out of the side of my neck,the proof is in the pudding....My dog was on a very real condotioning regiment,what works for others my not work for some but it was good for this dog.nothings going to overcome a dogs genetics but a little resistance never hurts...This particular dog was 24 inches at the withers and 90 pounds,he was a machine and compleatly functional,i give alot of credit to all the conditioning he was under,would he have been just as toned without it,possably, but i didnt hurt ethier,jm2c....

 

well if were talking about my dog,he was a working bull and molosser hybrid.....

 

I thought you were saying he was a APBT. It was my mistake for calling you out like that.

 

I would really like to know how someone could think that the tri-colored dog is a mix. He is a perfect example on how this breed should look.

 

no doubt bro,
I aint new to this thing i understand fully,i would of done the same to somebody claiming there giant was a apbt....

 

weighted harnesses work when used correctly but can hurt a dog if not used correctly same thing with carpet mills , slate mills, etc .... its not even really a discussion IF it works the question is does your dog need it or not and how much is safe

 

Very natural....you have never seen how a dog (or wolve) brings large game down? Jump ,hold, shake . That is what canides do best and THATS what they need and like because its in there natur.....and all those natural things are the best training.

 

I've often wondered about alot of the tri-colored pits. Now the dog that this is about is a beautiful looking APBT but the colors...It looks like it comes from a Rott. or Dob. But then again there alot of odd colored pits out there that are TRULY APBT's...

 

OK let me clear this all up Its ok to use a weighted collar if done properly and correctly, problems arise when an ameture doesnt know what he is doing. Second there is no reason to really use a weighted collar there is only one activity in which it can benefit your dog and that activity is illegal.

 

a Weighted collar will benifit a dog outside the "box".For a dog bred to be a "man stopper" it will create a better conditioned and powerfull dog when used along side other conditioning regiments,in a weight pull dog it will build up the chest muscle,a weight pull dog is'nt only pulling from his hined quarters,there getting alot of there strength from the chest,shoulder and back also.A weighted collar would even benifit the catch dog,its good for a multitude of working activitys...

 

this coming from the breeder who advertises head size....

That coloration has been around the breed for a loooooong time. It's pretty common in some bloodlines. Not bred for color, it just shows up more frequently because of the dogs.

But back on topic, aren't weighted harnesses alright for the dogs? That's the advice I got from a few people for weightpull. And that's definately not a competition where I want to add mass. But that seems like it would add to dragging weight. But weighted collars.....no way. Just not for me.

 

Normally I wouldnt reply to such a question but Im just bored right now lol....So here I go... Conditioning a dog to be a man stopper??? All my dogs are unconditioned but they can stop a man if they really wanted to......You said they getting alot of there strength from there chest,shoulder and back but the weighted collar is where? Yes on there NECK so the neck is doing most of the work the chest,shoulders and back is secondary with little benefits unless you using very very heavy weights and that aint good for his neck. The only one I agree with you on is the catch dog.

 

It's late/early (however you want to look at it) & I'm exhausted, but I want to through in some indisputed medical info here. Using a weighted collar/chain is NOT safe for the dog nor does it increase power by any means. Using a weighted collar especially puts uneven weight directly over the cervical vertebrae which were NOT designed to perform that duty. You run the risk of paralyzing your dog because of your ego & stupidity. Over time you will break down the vertebrae (resulting in arthritis) & the chance of herniated discs is super high. A weighted harness is safer from a medical standpoint but again it still doesn't distribute weight in a way I would call "safe". It puts undo wear & tear on the joints & really is a lazy man's way out to "bulking up his pit." If you want to see what the advantages are, my advice is to put on a 5 lb weighted collar, get on all fours, & run 5 miles & see how your neck feels.

And for those that are arguing the validity of the weighted collar, I find it amusing & ironic that y'all are so outspoken against those who chain their dogs up on heavy heavy tow chains. What the hell is the difference? Nothing.

And if you are really interested, study racehorses. For racehorses, like Man O War for example, that were handicapped heavily & were forced to carry much more weight than the typical jockey weighs, then they would insert lead weights into the front part of the saddle. However, the sad part is is that this simple task would not just keep an amazing horse from winning but often times it crippled many a horse. Yet had the horse carried the total weight, let's say 128 lbs, in the form of a human, the horse would've been fine, yet instead he carried 108 in the form of a human & 20 in the form of dead weights. Now do some research & figure out why that was & is.......& then you will also realize the correlation b/n a weighted collars & dog breaking down.

 

i think it's best described like this.

first of all you start very small and work your way up in weight. they have to build up the muscles to carry it just as you would have to build up if you just up and started going to the gym. done correctly that shouldnt hurt the dog at all.

second it's done to help endurance.

if you started running everyday and after a week added a 1lb weight to each hand it would be harder at first. then it gets easier so add 2lb and so on. now you've worked your way up to 5 lbs in each hand with no problems. don't take the weights tomorrow and you should be able to run alot farther than you usually do.

now that answers your first question which was what do you achieve by this. second the majority of people using these items do have their dogs in some sort of competition. be it confirmation, hunting, weight pull, etc.

as far as the chains go, yes they are completely retarded. with that said they should not be compared in any way to a weighted collar. people using chains are trying to look tuff. people using weighted collars are trying to condition their dogs.

hope this helps

 

Very good post...but I think this stuff is much to high for some Experts on here.....^^

 

What do you actually think you are going to achieve by adding extra weight through a collar or harness?
I could use my working harness to build strength in the off season, make sure my dogs stick to those hogs not bounce off. much like athletes use a parashoot for resistance to strength train.
What purpose does it serve?
strength training.
It would be somewhat understandable if the dog is competing at a very high level and every small detail matters.
so by that statement it is safe to assume that this whole thread is directed to those who own petbulls... shew! I thought you were refering to those that own game-dogs.
However, for the vast majority of the dogs, it is absolutely unnecessary.
here lies the problem. you dont know much yourself and yet, your preachin' to others about what works and dont.. the vast majority of these dogs are out of shape prostitutes that are ridding the pine.
It puts an unneeded strain on the dog.
sure, if you jump off the couch in 90 degree heat with 50#s strapped to your dog but, to anyone with an understanding it can and will provide an extra edge.
Is it to make the dog bigger?
absolutely not.
There are much better ways to put on muscle
please share some of your secrets.
and even then, you won't be able to make much of a difference pertaining to muscle size.
completely untrue.
I have seen dogs that look the exact same prior to being put through extensive weight pull training.
again, "looks" are not what we are aiming for.
So, in my opinion, it serves no purpose as far as looks.
surely you have heard what they say about opinions...

It is common knowledge that the added weight to a dog's neck can cause problems.
your right, this is not the activity for the novice.
In my opinion, weighted collars and harnesses, whether if it is a chain or not, can be very damaging to the dog and is unnecessary 99.999% of the time.
once again, thanks for your opinion. wating for your ideas on strength traing. pls. tell us about your method of conditioning that is non- contact, non-stressful, non-abrasive.
Instead of slapping some weight to your dog, why won't you do some real work with it instead??
like??

 

wouldn't dragging weights or a weighted harness be a lot more beneficial than a weighted collar? Resistance training is great and all, but I just don't see how that placement of the weight would help.

 

who in here has a real champion dog ? only then do you have an opinion its alot of guess work going on here... if you never tried it how would you know it doesnt work ? weighted harnesses are not bad for the dog proof is in the champions