TRUTH Series-Its not the breed, its how you raise them myth

some use the phrase 'nature vs nurture'. some say 'it's not in how you raise', ... them. whatever terminolgy you choose to use, bottom line, nothing will superseed 100's of years of genetics. wish all you want. hope all you want.
one minute 2 dogs get along and the next minute they don't. <that doesn't happen because of how they were 'raised'. that happens because of genetics. because they were bred to be courageous. yard mates, house mates, litter mates; they're all irrelevant when a dog feels it's being challenged and its "work mode" kicks in. this breed was bred and hard wired for battle. it's what defines them. it's what they love to do. regardless of how or where you raise them, this love will always reign supreme above all else. always. with this breed, once is NOT a fluke. it's a pattern...

 

....IT'S...simple...pitdogs don't make PET'S....PET-dog's..do make PET'S...??????????????..SHEEP-DOGS HERD SHEEP...MAKE GOOD Sheep dogs...gaurd dog's///etc/etc/etc??????????????????????

 

Well , Well look who finally showed up to feast ! Lmao .

 

Your a fucking immortal Blue ! So.what's your excuse for showing up late ?

 

Blew8bulls is late because he finally summoned enough courage to make a post LOL.

 

I recently came across, another extract, taken from the book "Man Meets Bulldog" written by Fredric Maffei, which I hope would add to the essence of the topic at hand....(although they are not my words nor I'm I capable of expressing myself as well, I do know it's going to take me a damn sight longer to type it out, than it took to read it LOL).

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In short, why is it that so many pit bull fanciers so proudly and so smugly, so readily, ride so heavily upon the pit bull's back - and yet turn a deaf ear to his music?

For make no mistake of it, that is exactly what they are doing when they hold forth this popularly held view:
That the pit bull, raised properly, is no different from any other kind of dog. A loving environment produces a gentle, loving dog - a hateful environment, a dangerous animal. The true nature of the pit bull is heroic, yes, but only a loving hand can bring forth 100% dependability the love in his heart. A pit bull, like any other breed of dog, is purely a reflection of his environment.

All of which prettiness is in actuality a seriously dangerous half thruth.....which you hear from the butcher, the baker - and since I don't know any candlestick makers I'll mention that you hear it from a good many veterinarians as well.

As near as I can tell, it is a view that has its origins in our Judeo-Christian upbringing, our democratic way of life that says, given a bit of luck and American sunshine, anyone can become president (and hence, any dog a poopsy-doodle). So stems the pit bull fancier's sometimes less than totally objective eagerness to champion the underdog, the poor woefully misunderstood underdog. And if besides being woefully misunderstood, he is a truly heroic underdog as well, so much the better.

Unfortunately, in the case of the pit bull, the democratic view and all its insistence upon social equality among canines is only half the tune, a melody with half the notes missing. However appropriate it might be elsewhere, you can't tack some marmy-smarmy, love conquers all philosophy onto the pit bull and then expect the image reflected back at you to be more real than the mirror itself. It simply doesn't work that way. You can make a Christian out of a Hun, but you can't make a pit bull into a poodle. It's all just silly anthropomorphism. The pit bull has his own inborn WORD to answer to, and you can't put yours over on him.

In a word, the pit bull, always and ever after, is himself. A good part of him always was and always will remain unknown to us, a mystery. But that he is a powerful and formidable animal, planted four square - that we do know! And the moment you start looking at him and seeing only the pure reflected light of the everlasting sweet and ever loving you - then you have made a dangerous mistake. And it can be a fatal one!

And further, whatever the antidogfighting pit bull fanciers out there might think of the dogfighter, it's nevertheless quite likely that the dogfighter's understanding of the pit bull dog is going to be truer than theirs. For where it comes to the fighting dog - which is exactly what the pit bull is - the dogfighter as likely as not knows ALL the notes, not just every other one. And where so many pit-bulls-as-pets fanciers hear only the loving, lilting strains of the pit bull's sweetly fluting upper register, and then the clarion call of the heroic in him - the dogfighter hears the tympani as well, the rolling thunder in his soul - and then that blinding flash of lightning when the cymbals crash.

And when THAT particular symphony is going full tilt - the pit bull fancier had damn well better know what he's about!

Playing it to the hilt, the media first tended to portray the pit bull as unwilling victim in the dogfighting game - and so didn't we all just hug him unto ourselves for the underdog that he was! Everybody and their Auntie Lizzie wanted a pit bull for their own.

Well, with that many newly democratized and duly reformed ex-pugs running around, some of them were bound to get into trouble. And so, almost before you could say " pit bull mania" the press had done a complete about face where the pit bull was concerned and set about making a " vicious animal" out of him - and inadvertently succeeded in popularizing him even further.

And so, no longer his own dog, the pit bull had to make yet another transformation - from ex-pug in sheep's clothing to drug and crack dealer's best pal.
" Oh, for a marijuana patch to guard! "
And so it continues, pit bull as mobster and moll - a bloodlusting dispenser of death even, diabolical.

While, in stubborn and yet oh-so-sweetly gentle reaction against " those who own poor woefully misunderstood pit bull's for all the wrong reasons" - daddy runs for the camera and calls wifey to go fetch baby.

Click. And there, made permanent in celluloid, the image of pit bull gazing into camera - but not quite himself somehow, less proud, somewhat dismayed by it all, brow furrowed....but yet alert, as if he were listening for something - and little baby bunting sitting upon his back and looking darling.

So many pit bull dogs.

And knowing the dogs as I do, how many of them, I wonder, are strangers in their owners' homes. Oh, the puppy is easily enough known. He yaps, plays tug-o-war with kiddie, and licks the cat. And then the young dog gaining in maturity, well enough behaved, obedience trained even - and proof of the pudding of what the right sort of upbringing hath wrought.

But then I wonder, as time goes on and the young dog approaches maturity, really coming into his own. I wonder about that particular moment when the pit bull grows still and silent, that pause in his soul, and all that he is and ever was whispers down through the ages, as it has, in varying degrees of intensity, from time immemorial.

That sudden stillness in his soul - it is a momentous pause, silently heralding the pit bull's coming of age. It is his moment. And if, at that precise instant he should turn and look at his master or mistress, searching for a light of recognition in his or her eyes, would he find it? Would the dog's owner recognize it, understand it, acknowledge it, deal with it? Or would he or she merely pooh pooh it out of existence, an unacceptable hitch in the desired pattern?

Imagine. A million pit bull dogs. A sheer million of 'em! Each and every one of them in some way looking to us.

And how many of us really know the music?

 

Thank you Vicki and Patjr for those great articles, I HOPE Ursaminor READS them.

 

Wasnt there also a really good write up put up by Dr. Lector for the tree
Huggers that adopt pits and try to.change them?

 

You know its amazing what people think of this breed. You have people with multiple pitbulls in their home, and they make the comments all the time "i can't get them to stop fighting" in results spending hundreds to thousands in vet bills thinking they can have them running wild in the house all the time together. These people are ignorant not understanding certain bloodlines run very deep for centuries! The centuries of deep bloodlines attitude and working ability cant change over night or even in one lifetime. My mother raised Eukanuba grand champion poodles my whole life growing up and their attitudes never change. Different litter same mindset. I'm so sick of irresponsible bulldog owners not understanding what they are capable of and keeping them from being in a bad situation in the public view. I about got into a fight at the park over last weekend. some dude and his friend had a nice looking 80ish pound bulldog at the dog park which is connected to a kids park. This particular day it was busy and there was lots of people at both parks. This girl brought her 50lb mutt in the larger dog side. Next thing you know, dog fight. Now i had my whole family there taking family pics. So i thought it was two curs snapping at each other at first, but no this bulldog was having his way with this mutt which was screaming and wasnt even trying to defend itself! At this point the owner of the bulldog was being some coward punk and not getting his dog off the mutt. So i run over and seperate the dogs as i couldn't let all these families see this dog get killed or seriously injured and have another pitbull horror story on the local news. I said some chosen words to the bulldog owner as im the typical asshole and he just laughs the situation off smiling and leaves like he won something!!! Dude all you did was comfirm into everyones head about what they heard about this breed being a dangerous breed! Thank god the dog must not have ever been in a serious roll and had any experience and didnt cause too much damage. This breed is bred to fight! Please be responsible and understand that the mindset to fight is already planted all they are waiting on is YOU to give them the opportunity!!

 

one of the best quotes a student of anything should apply, I sure miss his shared wisdom...

I understand bothsides of this topic and think it depends on the person and dog as individuals...

Some its automatic, some need a jump start and others engines stay cold even with a jump and the best of mechanics might call it a lost cause...

So how you raise them AND its the breeds natural instinct ARE BOTH fair assessments if your not a JACKASS...
you can raise them to fight and them be cold or... you can raise them not to fight and they cant help it...
If theyre cold its not the breed...
If theyre on it is the breed???
Alot of well bred bulldogs are so intune with thier owners they will damn near do anything for them, ecspeacially if you have any bulldog sense...

Its hard to look at others views when your head is up your ass...

 

Re: It's Not How They're Raised, It's How Dogs are Managed That Matters Most

The best post on this topic, very well written and recieved!!!

Too bad this thread wasnt started by someone with a better understanding of the breeds vast capabilities...

Saiygen, read this thread start to finish and you will see how narrow minded you really are...

 

Re: It's Not How They're Raised, It's How Dogs are Managed That Matters Most

LMAO.... you must be really BUTT HURT too dig up this old thread SMDH......That post that vicki posted is just a basic common sense post that every one should already know before hand, its nothing new, well maybe new for you Elias because you seem to be so impressed by that article that is probably written by (a dog walker) one who is most likely opposed to dog fighting, you feeble minded simpleton LMAO.

Your the one that needs to read this thread from start to finish because your pathetic excuse for a brain cant even comprehend it. Do you need a tissue to wipe your vajayjay Elias? LMAOROTF.

 

So her post is basic commen sense post that everyone should already know, yet it covers this subject wisley...
You weak attempt at the TRUTH shows you dont know much but getting defensive and turning into a little bitch...
Read your TRUTH treads and you seem like you should do more reading and less typing as all you do is argue as if your shit stench dont resinate...
If you cant agree to disagree, you an idiot...

 

Are you fucking retarded???? LMAO....Yes it is basic common knowledge that anyone into any types of dogs should already know, wtf does wisely have to do with it? LOL

You are the little bitch because you cant handle the real TRUTH and get all defensive because you have nothing to back it up with any legitimate rebuttal so all you can do is whine like a LIL BIATCH. LMAO

I dont have to read my TRUTH threads as I already know the TRUTH ,my threads where made for fucktards like you Elias to read it thoroughly. LMAO

Your the one that should do more reading and less typing with all that bullshit spewing from your mouth every time you open its no wonder you cant smell it.

Another idiot cliche by the simple minded eliaspistolwhipped. LMAO

 

Name calling andhaving the last word has to be the TRUTH,,,
so you win TRUTH TELLER and MILL MASTER...(type after this to verify your the WIENER)...

 

I read two sentences .... never think you can change one of these dogs..... game dogs will be game and curs will be curs

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Only if the names fit the subject is it the truth and in this case it fits perfectly LMAO......I started this topic so why shouldnt I have the last word especially when someone DELIBERATELY posts on my topic JUST because he got all BUTT HURT on another topic. LMAOROTF

Also its not about winning or losing you idiot, its about the TRUTH. LOL

 

How do you explain a dog showing deep gemness, but later quiting???

There has been plenty of stories of dogs quiting in rolls and going on to show gameness also...

There has been plenty of stories in which the dog was looking to cur and scrathed simply for thier owner...