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Suicide

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by the.peon, May 10, 2012.

  1. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    I noticed on another thread regarding a certain sports player a few people had spoken briefly about the topic of suicide which I personally feel is absolutely impossible to catogorize or stereotype. It got me thinking this would make for a good discussion thread. What are your beliefs, thoughts or whatever else on the act of suicide?
     
  2. MCS

    MCS CH Dog

    Being a husband to a wife with sevre depression and her having to deal with these feeling and thoughts it is something I will never fully understand.But I would not wish those demons on my worst enemy. It happens for man reasons and unless u can walk in there shoes u cannot judge. Compassion, understanding and strength is what they need. I heard a good sermon once by the pastor Mac of 1st baptist of Jax. Help show there are more people than u think that walk with these demons, God will have mercy on their souls.
     
  3. Mr.Revolution

    Mr.Revolution CH Dog

    if someone wants to off they self then they should have that rite.people cant decide for others when they have had enough of this place
     
  4. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    I personally feel that nobody should judge another human for deciding to end their own life. I think its a very personal choice, and obviously not one to be ridiculed or mocked. I don't think anyone should let it change their opinion of someone they cared for because they made a choice to no longer be with us here on earth. Suicide is not an act of cowardice (atleast thats my opinion). I feel it is done for an extremely wide array of reasons, and completely impossible to classify or stereotype.
     
  5. venom

    venom Top Dog

    you can classify and stereotype the people as being out of their mind.
     
  6. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    Not really.
     
  7. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Its one of those things you can't understand if you haven't been through it just bc its not a typical way of thinking. I wonder if some people are better off if they hate living??? Its a real touchy subject...
     
  8. MCS

    MCS CH Dog

    Great post, I agree with you 100%. very well put.
     
  9. babedulce

    babedulce Premium Member Premium Member

    Suicide is the most personal act that a person can commit. Now for one to commit suicide as a final solution to a psychological or emotional problem that is perceived as inconsolably overwhelming, I would say that one has let one's emotions or pschological demons get the best of him/her. But the thing is that this is not the only reason people commit suicide, and whatever the reason one commits suicide outside of personal defeat, if that person believed that the end was ony the beginning then who are we to judge. On a side note, though, the suicide of the buddhist monk Thích Quảng Đức is one of the most gut churning displays of this behavior. In my opinion this qualifies as suicide because the individual knowingly placed himself in this life ending situation eventhough he didn't actually pull the trigger so to speak.
     
  10. venom

    venom Top Dog

    Yeah. really. If you're having thoughts of ending your own life, your probably mentally out of whack and yeah out of your mind. To do it, only furthers that assumption. All that other shit, clinical depression, chemical imbalances, its a simpler term called being crazy. mentally deranged, insane, for whatever the reason may be. Why you are thinking what you're thinking and why your brain is functioning in such a way is just the reason for you being crazy, but your still crazy. People just dont like to say it cuz they find these words offensive.
     
  11. sadieblues

    sadieblues Premium Member Premium Member

    I honestly don't understand it myself. I know we have all had some sort of struggles in life. I can say that I have been through things that have been very tough and thought I couldn't make it out of but I did with faith and just being strong dealing with things as they come and learning to forgive and accept the things I couldn't change or had no control over. The thought never entered my mind to take my own life even at my lowest point I never felt that I couldn't go on or that I would be better off dead. Life is hard and everyone has their own battles and struggles to deal with and just when you think you have it bad there is always someone out there who is dealing with something much worse. I think some people just have different coping mechanisms while one person may turn to god to get them through something another person might turn to suicide as a way out. And others truly have some sort of mental illness or even a personality disorder and the way they cope with life is just different. It's kind of like a drug addicts, drug users are not necessarily suicidal but they are usually killing themselves slowly and don't even realize it but they use drugs to cope with life or cover up the pain that seems too much to deal with sober. I will never judge another human being for how they choose to cope with their personal struggles even though I will never fully understand why someone would result to that moment of weakness where they felt the need to end it all. I personally turn to god when I feel something is just too much to handle or deal with my faith is what gets me through things. But everyone is different and we shouldn't judge those people if anything they need help and support if they can be helped.
     
  12. babedulce

    babedulce Premium Member Premium Member

    You sure can, because it certainly is not rational for someone to conceive suicide as a acceptable act, but the thing about it is that in terms of the human body as a shell for awareness the mind is but one center, and a powerful one for most of our lives determines the outcome of our lives. There are other centers that we as normal humans don't tap into because it would normally lead others to classify the use of those centers as "out of his/her/our/their mind."
     
  13. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Its a touchy subject for some more so than others.It effects more people than just the one who comitted the act.They have families to.
     
  14. sadieblues

    sadieblues Premium Member Premium Member

    What makes me sad is these innocent kids who are being bullied at school and result to killing themselves 10 year old children who are not even emotionally aware or fully developed mentally to really understand what they are doing and why. I don't think you could call these children mentally unstable or cowards but they are taking their lives at such young ages it's absolutely horrific and sad :( It just goes to show there are many variables to suicide and why a person might choose to end their life.
     
  15. RRL

    RRL Top Dog

    I think everyone has a breaking point and can be pushed over the edge.I recentlly saw an interview w. the head of one of the CIA agencies who would try to extract information from captured terrorists,and all the tactics they use focas on breaking down the mind.So I believe if you can break that then a perfectlly sane person could become irrational.I find it interesting how sadieblues mentions religion because I also believe that can carry people farther than believing in nothing.I have known a few people in my life who killed themselves,and also a person in my family who attempted it,but survived and the explaination was that they felt that they were being pushed by some unkown force to do it.I have also seen some documentaries on some who survived a bridge jump and they said they regreted it as soon as they jumped.I think that people who are dying of some horrible,painful disease should have the right to go peacefully if they have no religous beliefs,but if the bible is true then they would regret that one.
     
  16. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    I would think the word crazy would be "simpler" than clinical depression. You said "probably mentally out of whach" which leads the reader to believe that you could possibly have atleast a thought of doubt in your reasoning. I don't find the word crazy offensive at all I just believe that the act of suicide can include a wide array of human emotion, rationality, and thought.
     
  17. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I've always felt its ultimate act of selfishness and a cur way to go out. I've known several people, once close to me at one point in time or another, who took their own life leaving behind many people who cared for them heart broken, children left behind to deal with life long social and emotional trauma. Someone said earlier their crazy and he's right. We all go through rough times in life. I never heard it better than a quote from tupac shakur " life isn't complicated, only what you make it to be....
     
  18. RRL

    RRL Top Dog

    I think it can be a selfish act,but sometimes a person who kills themselves is thinking that everyone would be better off without them because they are not thinking clear.There is evidence of mental illness on a brain scan,so it is a disease just like chicken pox.
     
  19. RRL

    RRL Top Dog

    I also wouldn't classify U.S. soldiers with PTSD curs because they suffered a brain unjury,or saw they brothers blown up,and then can't cope.
     
  20. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Its the ultimate act of quitting. That will always be my opinion on it regardless of the profession the person did when alive. There's many forms of it and reasons as to why one would take their own life. I do agree it a mental problem.
     

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