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steroid use-morals and ethics

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by greenzone, Jun 16, 2018.

  1. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog

    Steroids by the definition of the word are a form of supplements...
     

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  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I dont know much about steroids but i do know that testerol is primarily for veterinary use. I have never used it on a dog but I know when i use it myself I swell up swoll and fast. Like 20 lbs of muscle in a months time doing absolutely no real workout with it. I'd imagine there are plenty of uses in animal applications like thoroughbred racing, greyhound racing etc.
     
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  3. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    AGK yeah that’s kind of where I was going: using what’s already out there in the veterinary field…if we believe the stuff is scientifically researched and developed with stringent enough standards to ensure reliable results. So what I’m reading between the lines here in this thread, steroids are also limited not only in their potential negative long term health impact, but risk increasing muscle mass/weight in the short term to a level of inefficiency ('blowing hot', limited endurance etc)… I suppose another way to question this is - what exactly is the steroid treatment expected to achieve? Super fast twitch strength, counter fatigue/shock, or workout recovery? Sled dog, greyhound racetrack, boar hunt/catch dog, competitive dock diving and protection sports = different steroidal objectives?

    BTW Happy Dad’s Day. And g'day to the rest of you.
     
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  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The dogs will do the same and sometimes that becomes the problem. They come out absolutely on fire and stronger than a bull. When it gets to the point the muscles start to ask for what they can't get. Things get hot and things start to lock up. Seldom if ever do they take what they have coming, recover an win in the end. usually it is over at muscle tie up.

    S
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    And not by any stretch of the imagination am I, nor I do consider myself an expert on the matter.

    Once upon a time we left home with a go getter. Within 20 minutes we did not know if we had been screwed, snake bit or stuck in the ass with a shovel handle. It was that bad, that quick.

    Abu had been schooled thoroughly, on everything except a dog trying to hump in the ass. Abu scratched 11 times, looked like squat as he was really confused about the entire get together. The other dog made 10 solid scratches as well. I'm not sure if he were game or just horny, it was hard to tell.

    S
     
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  6. Great thread folks keep it coming!.very informative.but as GK1 just asked"what exactly is the steroid treatment expected to achieve? "...I think that's a great question btw GK1........
    But yeah,natural all the way!..
     
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  7. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    Puts a whole new spin on ride em boy lmao
     
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  8. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The biggest advantage would be recovery. Recovery in order to do more work. The more work the dog can do the better off he is from a performance standpoint. Then the 'more work' can be then spread over the different types of work to accomplish different end goals.

    An example....a gassed up dog can run the free spinning mill for "X" amount of time. Once that dog is at the point he needs to come off he can then pull weight. Two thing happens. He has enough in the tank to get everything out of the mill, then enough left to pull a weight. Since the mill has taken a lot from him he will be pulling weight with muscles that are not fueled up for 'max' growth. He will then get stronger but will not build mass at the same rate.

    This works on a natural dog as well, but the gassed up dog will get further down the path at a higher pace for a longer period of time. Once the work is done if the two dogs were put up to rest the gassed up dog would be ready to go again sooner than the natural dog.

    As always it depends on whether this particular situation is dialed up to hit it out of the park.

    A sled dog would do sled dog things to get ready, the grey hound the same. This would also be the time to choose what type of steroid to use as the both the sled dog and the grey hound are running dogs, but completely different running dogs.

    The catch dog would have to be dialed in to be able run for distance at a fairly high rate of speed and the be bull strong at the catch.

    The dock jumping dog would need to be worked with explosiveness and the combination of speed and strength for a power type dog.

    Same with the protection dog. Speed to get there and power to finish.

    The bulldog would need all of the above for different lengths of time throughout their get together.

    S
     
  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Faster recovery time.
     
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  10. Thank you.
     
  11. Kostas81

    Kostas81 Big Dog

    Slim you disagreed with the side effects I brought up, cause of the digestive system. I don't disagree with the difference, BUT in Growth Hormone Therapy or Testosterone Therapy, digestive system is NOT in the loop at all!
    Whoever treats himself or his dog those therapies (steroid therapies), threw oral supplements, they have no idea what they are doing! Probably they found cheaper supplements that are actually rip offs...
    GH and TRT by taking supplements orally, destroys the liver and it has minimal impact in what you want to do. Minimal absorbtion...
    First choice is needle and second is rub.
     
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  12. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    AGK you swell up because your body retains water on the testerol. Test is king as far as bulking up.
     
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Agreed.

    The first choice is the needle. No doubts.

    Even with the first choice a canine will process and better utilize a steroid at a much higher efficiency than a human.

    Missing in a dog is less impactful than missing in a human health wise.

    But again, all usage carries risks, to both human and canine and it is a risk/reward situation.

    S
     
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  14. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    We used to prep our race horses with Equipoise to increase performance during training phases. it increases red blood cell production thereby increasing oxygen uptake. and step up testosterone production in stallions.
     
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  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Equipoise can be a good choice. It lends itself to lean muscle gains and the actual strength to mass ratio is favorable.

    S
     
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  16. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Wwhich one make you feel lik3 a man ? Which one make.u feel like a dog ?
     
  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Those steroids are called wives. Just saying. LOL

    S
     
  18. Kostas81

    Kostas81 Big Dog

    I know that creatine fills muscles with water. I didn't know that about testo...
     
  19. CockneyRebel

    CockneyRebel Big Dog

    Is it fair probably not but such is life, a natural dog can have an advantage over it's opponent by being better conditioned anyway so where does the buck stop? Steroid usage is quite complicated so to get everything to work just right shows the skill of the dog man, i take my hat off to such skills.
     
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  20. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The above post is really accurate.
    And I doubt there are any real numbers to back up the claims 'that most screw the dog up with the juice'.
    I know guys who were always happy to hear the other squad were users. It was one more advantage for the home team as the percentages said they would not hit it out of the ball part.

    I can't remember the numbers he used. It was like maybe 10% of people in the dogs use the gas. And 10% of those people can get it right. And of that 1% that get it right, will get it right only half the time at best. The odds of me finding that 1% and the odds of him getting it right on that particular night.....I'm looking forward to Saturday night. (at least in so many words).

    S
     
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