Show dogs vs Working dogs

Well, Tommy, another lost attempt has come & gone. We love the APBT in it's true form & will chose the SHOW the TRUE APBT against the new fad ones. Maybe we are just dinosaurs (song compliments of Hank Jr.), but I will never let these dogs die out.

 

Perhaps the attempt came and went, but did not go unheard....and with each attempt and each rebuttal the message is getting out, so keep doin what you do best girl...speakin the truth and keepin it real for all of us

 

Me neither.

 

hmmm...gamebred or show bred? How ever will I decide?

 

LOL. Dinosaurs, baby, it seems we're dinosaurs...........

 

Tommy Wrote " Yup, alot, if not most, of the owners of game lines on this board has one or more dogs in the house"

Mia worte "10 live with me along with my other breeds IN MY HOUSE. "

Well according to many true doggmen on this forum, you wouldn't be able to keep a true game dog in the house with other game dogs. They may be bred from game stock but that doesn't mean they are game dogs. If that's the case they how are they any better then the big bullys? They ae being used for their original purpose now are they. Now if they aren't game then according to you they are mutts. According to your thinking, our game dogs are working dogs. If that's the case then what sort of work are they doing unless it's in the ring and if they are true to standard then a game dog shouldn't be able to get along with other game dogs, espically in a house or other close confinement.

My dogs are from game stock but they are not game. They live great with eachother so are they not true to standard. Are they not a working dog. They play hours a day everyday and love it. They would do anything for me. But your reasoning doesn't seem to make sense the more I listen to it. Now I like a hyper dog. I also like a smaller dog and would never get a dog that weighs 80+ lbs. But to say our smaller dogs are the only true pit just doesn't seem right to me. And if standard is what you are basing your views on then maybe you should check your own dogs and yourself. Because a breed standard pit (game dog) doesn't get along with other game dog and that is a fact.

 

You may say dinosaurs,but think about this, to newbies like myself you all have become the TRUE LEGACY, therefore the right path to follow, the best source of information......... a start to a legacy continued!


And if standard is what you are basing your views on then maybe you should check your own dogs and yourself. Because a breed standard pit (game dog) doesn't get along with other game dog and that is a fact.

And before you try to rationalize an appropriate response to this....count to 10. Breed standard and breed behavior 101 may take many, many, many , many posts......<!-- / message -->

 

Ummm, where did I state that they all just run around the living room together playing like children. ?? Hence the part about individual crates & tie-outs for outside. Miakoda gets along with Wrigley (non-APBT) & Chipper (non-APBT). That's it. I do have one 3 pictures of Shaker & Akee together as they had their moments. They are NEVER left unsupervised. Everyone else would just love to "rumble" with everyone else. I've never said otherwise.

And no one here said there isn't 1 game dog that doesn't get along with another dog. There have been several known game dogs that "befriended" another dog be it an APBT or non-APBT. But no one in there right minds expect them to get along all the time or believe that it could all change in one instant. And many more known game dogs loved rolling on the ground with puppies. However for every 1 game dog that will tolerate the company of another dog, there are 100 that do not. Read...........

 

One dog isnt a problem.... I have never had a problem controlling any one dog. I am a stickler for obedience and at 6 months they all "go to school". But when you have multiple dogs in the house high energy and dog aggression becomes an issue. especially if you have "gamebred" dogs. my game dogs were not trust worthy in the house. one inside one outside... one crate and one loose. The more dogs you add to that scenario the longer everything takes. to rotate one dog out at a time when you have 4 or 5 dogs... WHY AM I STILL EXPLAINING MYSELF!

Your opinion of me or my dogs does not matter. I have selected the lines that I have because they appeal to me for whatever reason. You dont like it... tough.

Stick to your lines, and I will to mine. whenever you get done with your alterior motives, and secret missions (LOL), these lines are still going to be here.

Its time to learn something that will take you far in the real world: Your opinion doesnt matter to anyone but you. I learned that early on. Do with yourself whatever makes you sleep through the night... as long as you can look yourself in the mirror and you feel as though you are doing the right thing then your fine. But when you go out of your way to call people out and pass judgement on them.. it makes you look bad.

 

Every single one of my dogs spends time in the house. Don't just assume that because a person doesn't own petbulls that our dogs aren't treated as well or better than 99% of animal owners. I wouldn't own my gamebred dogs if I didn't love the hell out of them. Every single one of mine comes inside and gets hands on personal time. They get to meet my friends, family, and neighbors. I've shown a lot of people the truth about pitbull terriers. They aren't 100lb block head odd colored menaces that the public generally views them as. They are 25-50lb loving companions that make some of the best pets a person could ask for. You need to be experienced enough and responsible enough to experience this type of pet but there are no better commited and loyal dogs. My dogs would do anything I ask of them with 110% of their ability and effort. I have several gamebred dogs that get along just fine with a certain member of the opposite sex. I let them inside together and they are 100% supervised while inside. There is nothing wrong with a dog that knows when it is time for business and when it is time to be a dog. You just don't give enough credit to the gamedogs. I understand I'm putting them in a situation but I'm prepared and ready to handle anything if it ever happened. Not every dog I own can be treated this way and the majority live fairly solitary lives (when it comes to other dogs) but there are exceptions to every rule. Every night one dog sleeps at the foot of my bed and the next night there is a new dog. They all get their time inside and they are treated properly with respect. My dogs live at a very happy home and they all know their place right at my side.

Regards,

B

 

If you own almost ANY bully breed, dog aggression is ALWAYS & issue (also with many terrier breeds). Just because you don't own a game bred bulldog, doesn't mean that you can forget about it.

And the difference is is that it doesn't bother me one bit that my dogs can't lie on the floor and play & share toys & what not. I don't care if Mia & her dam, Akee, hated each other or if Meko hated Taker & whatnot. My rescue, Sukari, will start a fight with another dog at the first chance. She goes out of her way to try & start a fight with a dog in a kennel if she's out of hers. She's stupid & stubborn & I love her anyways. She's an APBT so how can I hold that against her? I understood everything about the breed by the time I got my first one. Yes most people hate dog aggression, to me it's a part of life. I deal with it & just accept the fact that I won't be having doggie birthday parties with a bunch of dogs sharing birthday cake off the ground.

The true/real/classic APBT is a wonderful dog. It's a people dog, it loves children, it loves meeting new faces & having those new face use their new hands to administer belly rubs, it's a bed bug, it's a pillow theif, it's a running partner, it's a hunting partner. And it's all this without having to be changed. It's hard for one to say he/shel oves the breed & then change it because he/she doesn't like certain aspects of it. That's not love.

And to BnD....my respect. For one who sees the truth, knows the truth, speaks the truth, & SHOWS OFF the truth for the general public to see.

 

Thats respectable.

 

My biggest issue is that people try to claim their dogs are American Pitbull Terriers. These offshoots are not APBT and they shouldn't be addressed as such. Anytime you take the go and put in the show, there needs to be a difference between breeds. This was recognized waaaaaay back when the UKC started and the American Staffordshire was recognized. I'm not saying your dogs are Am Staffs because that isn't the case unless they come from those lines but your dogs are not true APBT. There needs to be some recognition for these new breeds. I'm plenty happy to help people learn about bulldogs and I'm plenty happy with anyone that treats their dogs properly. I am not happy about your dogs being compared and explained as the same dogs I keep and care for.

Regards,

B

 

I dont think anyone gets into this breed without knowing dog aggression is par tof the package... its in the bred standard! its an accepted and natural part of the breed. But the bare basics is that when not breed for gameness it wanes.

 

I can understand that but lets be technical here. the AKC wouldnt accept the breed with the name APBT. the UKC was started for that... it was never stated that the UKC was for working dogs only. that had nothing to do with the split... it was purely about the name.
The dogs regsitered with the UKC were show dogs and still considered APBTs... the dogs that were in the AKC were also regsitered both ways. so to say that the working aspect is the difference isnt true. The registry split wasnt about that.

then in 1909 or so the ADBA came along... that was the working dog registry. Now if your dogs are ADBA registered and you arent working them I could understand your issue... these dogs are UKC and UKC didnt differentiate between the two it purely to be able to accept the APBT for what it was and not force the name change to get into an established registry.

 

I don't mean any of this out of disrespect. I completely respect your opinion to own the dogs that suit your household best. It is mighty responsible of you to admit you don't have the time to keep and house multiple gamedogs. There are people out there that should take your example and live it in their own lives. A lot of people jump headfirst into this breed without as much as a tid bit of research or education on bulldogs. I think a huge part of the problem is that this breed has become far too accessible for the general public. There are too many owners that don't have the time or sense to be owning a bulldog. Hell, most of them shouldn't have dogs at all, let alone kids but that is a different subject I believe your dogs are great and I can see why many of you own them but I still can not see how they can be interchanged easily with the dogs I keep. I'm just trying to explain myself. I really don't have a problem with anyone and I wouldn't care if someone on the board had 5 mutts there were here asking about and trying to better educate themselves to be better owners. In the end I'm on this board to help other people with my experiences and knowledge that I have learned with these dogs. I don't care if the majority of the people skip through my posts but if one person reads it and learns something on how to better treat their dog or care for it then I feel like it was all worth it.

Best Regards,

B

 

You clearly are jumping to conclusions and you have no idea what you are talking about. First off, aggression and gameness are two completely different things. There are many CH and GRCH out there that were known to get along with other dogs to a certain degree. Does this mean that they weren't game. Nope. It means that they had a personality that put up with other dogs when it wasn't time to get down. The people with game bred dogs here do not let all of their dogs just roam the house. They are seperated at all times. In crates and so forth.

 

I agree with you on the name and I didn't go into the history but the basics are still applicable. Many gamebreds of old were UKC registered but that was a long time ago. The UKC was the start of the show dogs and while many working dogs were in the registry it has now gone completely the other way. Do you honestly feel the majority, hell even the minority of UKC dogs are working dogs? They are show kings and queens that thrive off of their ideal "look". This breed is not a breed for looks. The ADBA has left its roots a long time ago and money drives their ideals now. Can you honestly look at the mutts (yes I'm using the term as it is intended) that they register and tell me that they have a real good grasp on the current situations with these dogs? I agree that with times comes change but that doesn't mean that you can change these dogs and expect to label them what some of their ancestors (I'm sure some have a good deal of APBT blood) have worked so hard to establish. I've rescued "show" dogs and bandogs and although I respect and like each and every one that I've come across, they still can't hold a candle to the dogs I feed every morning.

Regards,

B

 

No buddy, you look bad for coming on a game dog forum and disrespecting our dogs by producing subpar dogs and calling them APBT. If you want to keep your dogs inside. Fine. Instead of buying and breeding your wannabes, because you can't keep and assload of game bred dogs in the house, (which you admitted as being one of the reasons you like lazy dogs) you should get another breed or at least do the breed a favor and call them something else.

 

Again, aggression and gameness are not the same. If you don't breed for gameness, it does not mean that you will lose aggression. You lose aggression when you breed dogs to not be aggressive.