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shit talkers vs truth finders

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Dream Pits, Jun 16, 2013.

  1. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Long overdue, I have thought about posting this before but todays the day. The question is does someone who test their own shit or breeds a 1xw game dog have the right to talk down on a 4, 5 or 6xw that quit? I asked a very good dogman when doyou retire a dog. He told me after it quit or lost deep deep deep game and that a lot of peoples "game dogs" were really curs who jus hadn't quit yet. A lot of curs people talk down on proved more gameness than a lot of peoples game dogs had to. For example then gr ch sandman before he quit to gr ch buck was probably more talented and gamer than any dog most will ever know and he went 3:45 with gr ch buck. So is it right to talk shit on sandman and then turn around and breed the balls off a 1xw who won in 45? Does that make your dog better?
     
  2. ursaminor

    ursaminor Premium Member Premium Member

    Someone could have just picked Sandman up at 2:45 and still be game. I have a feeling that match went on much longer than it needed to be a reason or another but I would certainly not discredit a dog of his caliber. People here have said they all quit just some do it sooner than others. He went into the best of the best and I think any respectable dog man would agree. So no I don't think a tested dog or a 1xw would qualify as a better dog, just my 2c. Also, get in chat bitches.
     
  3. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    I think Sandman would probably prove gamer than most dogs people have. How many dogs could go that long against buck? My question is do you think its fair to discredit a dog who may have quit but is far more proven than the dogs you're breeding?
     
  4. ursaminor

    ursaminor Premium Member Premium Member

    Certainly not in my opinion not even close comparison to a top quality dog from that kennel against some john doe's OTC winner.
     
  5. tigerboy5

    tigerboy5 Big Dog

    I dont see any reason to discredit or talk down about anyones dog no matter what it has done. If you are working and competing with your stock and know what you have why not let people breed to dogs that you consider curs or sub par? As far as the sandman refrence i would consider breeding to any dog with a win or a loss( by standing the line or not being able to beat the count) that i have seen wih my on eyes on a case by case basis. For example lets say in the buck x sandman show at the hour mark sandman hesitated at the line and didnt make the count untill 8 secounds then it went another hour before buck got to scratch and then another hour before sandman finally quit. Even though the time aays 3 plus hour sandman quit long before that time. If there was a 1xw who was making bad signs and trying to leave the building but it just so happens to be the other hounds turn to scratch and he quits before the winner has a chance to i woundnt breed to him either. Wins, losses, and titles dont mean anything. Gamness is in the eye of the beholder, if you think a dog is game breed and keep him if not dont breed and cull him.
     
  6. BOTP Kennels

    BOTP Kennels Big Dog

    That's a hard question to answer
     
  7. ursaminor

    ursaminor Premium Member Premium Member

    Good point tiger, everyone has to start somewhere. One mans cur is another's game.
     
  8. Mashamplan

    Mashamplan Big Dog

    People should stop talking shit about other peoples dogs no matter what. Concentrate on what u want to achieve and work towards it. If it means using the 1xw in 15mins then do so, but then dont use a dog that stood after a total of 7hrs action into 3 top quality dogmen as a justification for ur decision. Do whats right for ur yard and work it. Talking down is usually a sign u deflecting attention away from ur own crap.
     
  9. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    theres always been shit talk in the game..... and there always will, lol.

    Thats not really the problem. Its because of shit talk, money and kudos that we have the game. These forums are simply the next generation in talking bollocks and shouting the odds. The game was invented to PROVE the truth. Hence the sayings "that dog's brings the truth" "he's the truth" "thats an honest bulldawg right there" etc, etc. The only difference nowadays is theres less opportunity to PROVE the truth......

    Thats why you will find a greater % of true game dogs south of the border on any given sunday..... YIS
     
  10. tigerboy5

    tigerboy5 Big Dog

    SMH i hate when people say stuff like this. Its not the case at all. You find good percents of true game dogs where ever people test and work there dogs. So im guessing since people that are locked up in state and federal penitentiaries dont commit crimes since they are already locked up... Wrong the commit murders, rape people and sell drugs for triple the street value. The only people that respect laws are law abiding people not criminals. If they are north of the boarder and they want their stock as game as the ones south of the boarder then they will be.
     
  11. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    There's a fundamental TRUTH that some folks don't get or refuse to acknowledge....

    A dog man thats got a hound in a convention will have/need a deep game animal because he has money riding on it.... be it north or south of the border. That IS not the case if your breeding for show.
     
  12. hammer head

    hammer head Top Dog

    There are more APBTs bred for Confo/pull in the US..... than the entire game bred stock in mexico.

    There are more APBT registers in the US than Mexico. More APBTs are bred their original purpose there and are allowed to ROUTINELY test their stock without the FEAR of incarceration.

    Even the BYB down there have dogs worthy of a keep and a bet maybe not breeding. Thats not to say there isn't professional kennels in the US ..... but you won't get them testing their stock at Sunday family picnic with the local police betting on the side lines, lol!
     
  13. thats about the dumbest post i have read in a good bit. how much time have you spent in mexico or the us? bla bla bla
     
  14. MinorThreat

    MinorThreat CH Dog

    Sounds like he's spent time there and I agree with a lot of what he said
     
  15. tigerboy5

    tigerboy5 Big Dog

    You are counting apbt as a whole and you cant do that because not everyone Anywhere works and test their stock. But if you compare working kennels in the U.S. and Mexico then both have equally game stock in both countries. Do you think TCF are the onlt kennel that competes internationally? Because they arent! American kennels/ dogs compete internationally as well.
     
  16. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    best dogs in mexico?? LMAO.... BTW.... its still a crime to fight dogs in mexico too!
     
  17. 3/1 say he aint got stamps on his pasport. I would also bet the fella cant even have apbt in his country lol.
     
  18. tigerboy5

    tigerboy5 Big Dog

    Teach him something laced.
     
  19. MinorThreat

    MinorThreat CH Dog

    Lmao as if the conventions and game is not as good as anywhere or maybe the hardest place to play? That's where the boys are and good dogs, that fact and haha it being illegal, please
     
  20. Laced Wit Game

    Laced Wit Game Yard Boy

    im no teacher, nor do i have the merits.....however i can spot a BS statement, and thats one of th em... no worries, were all guilty of it lol!!! however, i think its one of the biggest misinformed assumption that its legal to do dogs in mexico, which its not... in fact it is very much illegal, its just that they dont care down there....lol.....im not arguing that theres good dogs out there, because there is... but to say that they have the BEST dogs, just because theyre mexico is assinine...... you do dogs in mexico, youll proll have good dogs..... you do dogs in texas, you prolly have good dogs...... you do dogs in spain, you prolly have good dogs.... and i dont know of too many folks in other countries who are affraid to ship, however i do know of some folks in america who WILL ONLY sell/ship to folks out of the country....
     

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