Pat Patrick's yard raided

It's not about what would make me feel better, and I didn't mean to insult anyone. FWIW, I agree with what you just said. I do take exception when I see people who claim to love the breed and then take on way more dogs than they can possibly care for. On the "tree hugger" side, these people are called hoarders.

 

You are sadly mistaken! Hoarders are people who have a pshycotic disorder, who collect animals like antiques, and these animals ARE NOT TAKEN CARE OF AT ALL. Those animals are what you would call neglected:mad:

Owning 60 dogs in a breeding program is not as far-fetched as one would seem. These people do have yard help and just because you didn't see it posted on the 6 o'clock news doesn't mean he was doing it by himself. Why don't you wake up and realize that this is not YOUR business. Hell, it's not the business of any of us here. The only reason the rest of us are concerned is because it's a matter of rights. The government is taking our rights every single, freaking day. How would you like to be told that you NO LONGER have the right to choose a car to drive. Even though you are the one who is going to make the payments, you will be paying for maintenance and they gas to drive it? What would you do? Would you not be upset? What if the government told you that by law, you can only have one child? Any more than that and they will be seized and killed immediately? How would you feel about that matter?I'm going to take a gamble here and assume that you don't have children; hell, for that matter I will assume that you don't even own a dog. You probably drive one of these hybrid cars because it saves the ozone, and you are adamant about publicizing your hatred for the American Soldier and the freedom he brings to us. You probably even send your money to PeTA because they are the only one's trying to save the poor animals in this country. Am I right?

Here's my post from another board who said these people got what they deserved; I hope you read it because it is specifically intended for people of your nature.


Wether you agree with what they do with thier dogs or not, the bottom line is that our RIGHT to our own PROPERTY is being taken every single day. This is in violation of the 14th Ammendment of the United States of America. If you don't know what it states, please look it up.
The HSUS is getting to be just as bad as PeTA, and as far as I'm concerned, they are looking to make an example out of anyone they can, including a freaking senior citizen! What a bunch of fucking morons they are.
Keep this in mind, ANYONE OF YOU who own any type of "paraphenalia" are at risk!!!! This includes spring poles, break sticks and tread mills. If you give your own shots, you can be considered a fucking dog fighter.
Let's wake the fuck up people and quit jumping everyone's asses for doing what they have the right to do with thier own property! It is NOT OUR BUSINESS how someone treats thier animals, especially when it is kept out of the publics' eye. No offense to any of you, but I feel like everyone has the right to keep thier property the way they see fit. ESPECIALLY when none of those dogs show any signs of abuse at all!!!


P.S. You say those dogs would be better off in a shelter, but do you realize that a shelter can keep hundreds of dogs (and cats on top of it) and still not do a job as well as that man did when it came to taking care of his animals? When is the last time you were in shelter? Did you see all the dog-shit in the kennels? Did you notice how scared all of those dogs were because they haven't been socialized in three fucking months? Better yet, did you watch those dogs get put to sleep and thrown into the dumpster because the shelter just had to make room for all those new dogs they publicized from last weeks raid?

 

Sounds like you're very familiar to the "tree hugger side"

 

No,the thread isn't about that. In fact, if these people are going to be taken down, I'd just as soon it's because they are caught in the ACT of dogfighting. I have a problem with what is going on in THIS case.

BUT, I AM making a judgement on their breeding practices -- as legal as they are. These people shouldn't need a law to realize that they are breeding a lot at a time the breed does NOT need it. They should be able to regulate THEMSELVES! To me, it doesn't make sense that they don't KNOW, on their own judgement, that it's WRONG and detrimental for the breed they love! They are making it EASY to be targeted! They KNOW that being targeted means a sad end FOR THEIR DOGS! How difficult IS it to just stop breeding for a while? WHY do they want so many Pit Bulls out there owned by so many people? WHY would you risk losing your dogs like that?

Dreamer

 

you honestly dont know what youre talking about:

The "suspects" in the AZ bust: Terry Williams and Bobby Smith dont sell dogs to the public, they dont advertise on the internet and dont have a web site.

Pat has a few litters per year, he's doesnt do that many breedings really, he's guilty of keeping a lot of dogs and thats about it but thats not breaking any laws.

are you ok now?

 

Update:

The remains of more than a dozen dogs were found behind the home believed to belong to a man authorites call a 'dog fighting kingpin.'

On Tuesday, authorities seized more than 150 dogs from four homes in Pima County. The dogs are believed to be part of a dog fighting ring that operated here and allegedly sold fighters all over the country.

Six arrests were made, including Mahlon Patrick, who authorities say is one of the biggest dog fighting breeders in the country.

News 4 has learned, the FBI and the Department of Agriculture (USDA) will be assisting the Pima County Sheriff's Department in the investigation. The USDA was the lead agency in the investigation involving Michael Vick.

Today, investigators were back on the property where they made some very disturbing finds: more than half a dozen grave sites, where they found the remains of dogs, including puppies.

Sgt. Terry Parish says it could be that the puppies: "were not of adequate size or they could have been used as a bait animal to get the blood lust going."

Or, investigators say, the puppies could have had medical conditions and died. Evidence found near the puppies, seized earlier this week, indicates that the dogs had infections in their feet from standing in their own feces.

Detective Theresa Deschenes, who's been working the case for a year, comes upon another site...and is amazed.

She found a gravesite where a black plastic bag was buried. Inside, remains of a dog that hadn't been there long. The body had not yet started decomposing.

And that could be very helpful to investigators in finding out how the animal died.

Sgt. Parish tells us, "(PCSO) Sheriff Dupnik isn't just interested in putting a dent in this crime; we want to put it out of business and make sure it never starts again. Make sure these players never do this type of activity ever again."



http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=7907995&nav=HMO6HMaW

Here we go with the bait dog shit again

 

The propaganda spewed forth by that "journalist" is disgusting. The really sad part is the fact that so many people are devoid of any reasoning ability, and will eat it all up without question.

Dogs die. Their owners bury them. 12+ (13?) dead dogs on a yard of 100+ that has been in operation for many years sure doesn't sound out of line to me.

If the recently deceased dog referenced in the article had any signs of fight induced trauma, or any other suspicious injuries, I'm sure it would have been stated (and exploited) already. What a joke

It's truly sickening to see this shit go on.

 

No, I detest PeTA. I do have a dog, and don't drive a hybrid car. I can see who you're mad at - I am not in that group. People may be more diverse than you realize.

I never said that they "got what they deserved" - you must be thinking of someone else. I wasn't even commenting on this case.

When was the last time I was in a shelter? Today. I volunteer at my local shelter every week. The dogs there are pretty well socialized because people like me go in and walk them, take them outside, etc. And some get put down - those are hard to deal with because we have a tendency to get attached to them. A lot of the ones who end up getting put down are pit bulls - we must get a litter of pit bull puppies once a week. The pit bull population is out of control, did you know that? I've never seen a dog in there from a fight bust - they are all strays or from byb's.

 

Dixiegal, I just don't know wether to trust you or not. I'm not saying your for PeTA, but I'm not convinced that you are against them either. And since I haven't seen a post from you, aside from this thread, I'm just gonna believe that you are nothing more than a troll. And while I respect you're right to have an opinion, I don't keep the same views:mad:

 

Yeah bait dog and useing puppys for it so the dogs could get a bllod lust how stupid dose that sounds iam telling you they don't know elbows from assholes f**cking sad

 

Clean your own house eh?....LOL That term is funny and you should find somthin else to throw around! If ppl realy new the standard of care these shelters maintain these animals in they would be appauled! You should come work for me, I'll show you what it means to care for kennel ....you wouldnt be playing with dogs all day.

It's called sacrafice and dedication that ppl are able to care for thier animals. These animals that were confiscated are by far in overall better health and mental state than these curs you are handling day to day.

This is all that is required by law.

.1 food
.2 water
.3 shelter
.4 medical care, if injured. vaccines required by law, rabies.

Less than that is considered neglect. Dont put the horse before the cart, socialization and what defines the standard of this luxury is not required by law.....nor should it be!

 

You don't have to trust me, and no, I don't usually post here because my views are also different from yours. I'm not sure I need to convince you of anything where PeTA is concerned, other than to comment that you are making the very same kinds of assumptions and generalizations about me that you claim to abhor when it's done to you. Trolls are looking for arguments - that wasn't my purpose. I'm just an average Joe - and there's no reason that I shouldn't be able to state an opinion without people going nuclear. My timing may be way off - but that's it.

 

Right. And even if someone has piss-poor breeding ethics, should they be carted off to jail for it? When we talk about reputable breeding, we're referring to the ideal. When we talk about someone who has 2 or 3 dogs, all who stay in the house, all who get constant socialization and attention, vet care for every hangnail, etc., that is the ideal, at least to some people. A person should not be decried as the devil for simply doing what is okay or adequate, or even for doing what is the bare minimum. Someday maybe we'll be able to get all the dogs inside on satin pillows with kongs stuffed with organic peanut butter, but that day is hopefully not now or even tomorrow. We should not look down on folks who still treat them like dogs and live up to a standard of care, even if its not the standard everybody would choose for their own dogs.

 

No one should run anyone off. Unless your a mod other wise free will and the ability to think criticly.

 

This is just goofy to me. I've owned way less dogs than these guys, and I've had to bury puppies. We buried a cat at our last home. Is it a new thing that you're not allowed to bury an animal once it dies? I guess most people cremate their dogs nowadays. Blah.

 

Depends on your city law. In county you can bury your pets on your own private property usualy. It's an angle they are using to fuel the fire.

Not against the law to put your own animal down, as long is it is done humain. That can be dictated by where you live as well.

 

They can sure meet what is required by law!

 

Becuase all the animals you mentioned above are allowed to mingle and roam together, am I right? Each cow isn't locked in it's own kennel 23 hours a day. Or maybe I'm missing something?

Look - defend whatever practices you want - I am free to disagree. This is a forum, isn't it, where opinions are exchanged? Or maybe it isn't.

I personally would not get 60 dogs just so I could give them the bare minimum, but that's me. And I don't know how anyone got the idea that someone should go to jail for that - I don't know where that came from. But if you want to keep 60 dogs kenneled up, go for it. Whatever floats your boat.

 

dixiegal i'm sorry you don't see that some ppl dedicated there whole life into these dogs,,, some ppl for the right reasons and some for the wrong,,,, but as long as those dog was in good condition as they and everyone else said they was then your way out of line,,,,

i like new ppl to come to the site but will not stand for a treehugger,,,, i'll bring the saw and you can hug it on the side i notch it,,,

 

I'm tired of belaboring the point - you didn't get the gist of what I said, but no matter. As for calling me a "tree hugger" - well, that's your prerogative and an easy way to be dismissive. I read the sticky put up about disagreements - you just made it personal when it shouldn't be. It's hard for me to respect your point of view when you obviously don't respect mine - if I disagree, then I am obviously a tree hugger and have no idea what I'm talking about. Interesting, PeTA uses the same tactic.