Lee's "Max" Son of Psycho

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there is no doubt psycho was past his best plus about 2 pound lighter, but that is not to say stiormer would not have beat him.
Personaly i would'nt have taken it, as stormer wasto heavy anyway.
I realy dont want to be a stormer basher, i am only relaying what i was told buy berty lee, tony lee, steve b and ricky b.

 

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finito, you have your opinion and you can believe what ever youwant, i am not a stormer hater and have been out of the dogs for years and so have no ax to grind, i'm only repeating what i was told in person by the people who had the dog and wether he was mated once or ten times which is debatable, yhe fact is he still produced diddly squat and his mother quit big time to the squaw bitch and also six of her daughters quit one after the other in rolls to the same squaw bitch.
Now this must be painting a pretty drab picture even for you.
This information comes from the people of the time, now if you still think it outlandish well theres nothing more i can say.
I also saw so called line bred stormer dogs and what i saw, they were not worth a carrot, more than likely something to do with the above.
Let me say again, on his day stormer was a match for anything his weight but was a one off and i personaly would'nt have a pup off him if they were giving them away.
sorry if i offend.

 

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Seems the man who told me was possibly misinformed which is strange to say the least. He told me it happened on K's yard.

 

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a son of Stormer named Fiddler killed a Stafford that K had on his yard , naybe possable to mix this up.. who knows

 

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it"£s all b9ollklox ,what do the irish know about dogs ?

 

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all in humour ?

 

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The important stuff that the english dont know. JK lol

 

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apparently stormer was bred quite a few times but only succeeeded in siring one litter so as a producer then he was a flop, almost a jaffa.psycho producedd well eno8ugh, an EP (european producer) when that title was in use.fair enough dogs in their own right , neither would have matched up to a decent pit bull terrier like todays dogs though and you can ask their owners that too.

 

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My opinion is a valid one & as i've said earlier,you cannot say a dog is a bad producer based on him only siring one litter. Is that so hard for many to understand or is that as plain as can be ?
Many many so called decent staffords of the past sired many a litter & there was nothing of note in their offspring.
Again,i am not defending the dog or have any interest whatsoever in him.
I'm not surprised at all on his dam,but you are mislead into thinking his sire was a very good dog.
I do know of the bitch you mention. Fantastic bitch in my opinion. I would not be surprised if she stopped every Northford dog/bitch she ever met in try outs. Surprise me with your knowledge. Did she ever stop in her early days ?
Nothing you have said has painted a drab picture for me. I asked for your opinion & heard it. I have no axe to grind with you at all. Whatever way you are thinking about me,i am not trying to put you down in any way. There is no difference of opinion on Stormer's producing record in my eyes,as there cannot be a fair opinion made on one litter. You wrote that artricle in a mag a long time ago & by the content,you should know more.
I know of a stafford female who had four offspring in all her life of which two were not worked. One male became a very good dog & well worth feeding.
Does she deserve more credit than Stormer ? Definately not !!
Is it fair to compare her as a producer ? Definately not !!
No offence took or intended.

 

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Let end this hear now as its getting as tiresome for me as it must be for you,
gameness is the hardest trait of all to achieve using right good dogs, and even using said dogs there are certainly no guarantees, so by using dogs with quitters and none game dogs in their breeding like the old bull bitch and expecting to get game dogs is madness, so what ever he produced, which was nothing, why would you want anything off him anyway, he had quit in him and his dam quit badly to not a pit bull but just a good stafford bitch.
I might wonder why he was only bred once, why do you think?, but i suppose theres some excuse for that as well.
In any case he was of quitting blood and that is not desired in any serious dogmans line,
dont get me wrong in most pedigrees there are dogs that you are not sure what they did, this cant be helped as if you weren't there and can't get the info. then there is'nt a lot you can do, but if you use a dog knowing he has quit in him and his mother is of a none game breed and a proven quitter, then what sort dogman are you and how much time and money are you put on the outcome of such a breeding when all the top men are using game sire and dam, can you see where i'm coming from, thats why there is very little chance of getting game dogs out of stormer but i'm not saying impossible, just not worth doing when there are better bred dogs about.
You go with what you think and i'm fine with what i think, can we be ok with that ?.
ps. i'm sorry i have no interest in surprising you with anything and what knowledge i have, i searched hard for to produce the best i could.
i'm not getting into a dick measuring competition, i know what i know, no more no less, if you no more well good onya pal.

 

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agreed, a top pitbull would almost always beat a top staff, i'm sorry to say.

 

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as long as the stafford doesnt quit, bad dogs arent the ones that lose but the ones that dont scratch back no matter the punishment. the work and dedication apbt owners are putting into their dogs is what a lot of stafford breeders/keepers lack, is not the dogs alone. there are good ones out there just not bred right to keep the blood rolling

 

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What your saying is bang on 12 gauge, you cant breed from quitters and expect good dogs and when somebody tells me that its ok and can get good dogs from it, well i cant help but think they are dog naive.

 

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good read that

 

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Its the same old story how people talk about a dog they never saw , the Stormer dog beast Phycho easily his sire Adams was a cur his mother a Bull terrier bitch so considering his breeding CH Stormer was a good match dog , he was bred to a Reid bitch called Tess who may have been the dam of GRCH Shelly or was a sister to the dam of Shelly , the Stormer dog was bred i believe to AMY a sister to Phycho on PMs yard i saw a dog from the mating on a yard in Newark owned by a lad named Devon , this may have been the only pup from that mating

 

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This was the only sister to "Psycho" and she was baron, never had pups
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=364817

 

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Red & white dog with a little black around the face. Allegheny or a similar name it was called. I wasn't there so who knows.
JT,i ain't telling you what to do or not,but this board or any other is not the place to put names & places up. Some lads may or may or may not still keep dogs now. Some may be long gone,but their family will be still around.

 

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was this bitch any near as good as her brother ricky b and why was a litter never took out of her

 

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She owned by a few different men in Ireland before going over to PM , think she was OK for field work, but no one could get pups from her

 

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dont think they should of been matched in the first place that stormer dog was to big for physco