Innate Ability

A lot of you need to look up anthropomorphizing. You can't try to compare humans and animals you're putting things on/in the animal that isn't there. Comparing human athletes to dogs bred to fight is pointless. They're just dogs.

 

Bulldogs fight because it's what they were bred todo. Doesn't matter if its a cur or not bulldogs are bred to fight. Thats it. Some are better than others thats true. All dogs have innate abilities or whatever. People don't make the damn dog better the dog is gonna be good or its not. All schooling does is make sure the dog knows what to expect when it goes into the damn box. Man's role is to condition the dog so that it can keep fighting the way it needs to for x amount of time. People get a hold of these dogs and see shit thats not there.

Too many different arguments are being made without a clear agenda.

Does money get in the way of matches? Yes.
Can good dogs be found anywhere? Yes. Thats been proven time and time again.
Will you generally find the best dogs in the low level circuits? No.
Are the majority of good dogs at the core of the game where its more specialized? Yes.

 

I guess what I took from the thread was: "Are there dogs out there that where kept local and never went to the big show, but could/can compete or beat dogs that have been in the big show."

 

@ Whoever

Since I was told I can't compare the sporting dog to a MMA athele and find similarities I decided to show you that that is a false statement. I will never deny the differences BUT:

Can a sporting dog have innate abilities? yes
Can a MMA athlete have innate abilities? Yes

Can a sporting dog be involved in a competition? Yes
Can a MMA athele be involved in a competition? Yes

Can a sporting dog be underestimated ? Yes
Can a MMA athele be underestimated? Yes

In the sporting dog world are there good dogs that are not in the fastlane? Yes
In the MMA world are there talents outside of the UFC and the likes? Yes

Saying you can't find similarities between sporting/combat dogs and combat sport athletes is like saying you can not find similarities between apples and oranges.

Both apples and oranges have within them seeds which have the potential to grow into trees which produce after there own kind. Will the Apple tree produce oranges ? No !!!! Why??? because it's an orange not an apple. But they both as different as they may be contain within them the seeds with the ability to reproduce after there own kind.

So tell me again why I can't find similarities from things that themselves are completely different?

If I said that a fighting dog and a prized fighter where the same in all regards and there was no difference between the two I could understand the some arguments or previous statements. But I never said anything of the such. Go back and reread. And I WELCOME ALL FEEDBACK AND OPINIONS but I am not nor did ASK FOR THEM there is a difference.

Great points fellas. And most have caught my drift from the start.

P.S.

Naustroms you make a valid point above especially if that's what I was attempting to do. But one of my degrees happens to be in the Study of World Religions so I am quite familiar with the term anthromorphology myself. And I have seen human attributes given to God to help humans better comprehend GOD ie the hand of God, the ears of God, the eyes of God etc...technically incorrect but it gets the point across.

But I can appreciate that and what you offered to the discussion.


YIS
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probably a better comparison would be racing pigeons v common pigeons , they both can fly but a top class racing pigeon would be expected to beat a commoner every time

 

Well I can tell you how it is in the uk being Romany gypsy myself.there have been a few unpublished fights over fury claiming that title and he has proved himself every time id go as far to say he's counted as unbeatable in the Romany comunity at this time.

 

After watching the fight between him and klitscko it made me ashamed to be a boxing fan....GARBAGE

 

Heavyweights haven't been good since Lennox, Mike, Evander, and the like. You see what Lennox did to Dr Death when he half ass trained. Today's big men are a joke imo

 

I hear Tyson has Gypsy Kings on the top and bottom of his pedigree. There were Gypsy Kings on both his father and mothers side of the family.

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By boy Deontay Wilder bringing it back though

 

Yes siiiir! He need to fight in The 'Ham! I wanna see that big mofo in person!! A lil more polish and he's there!!! Seems like a nice guy too!

 

"Heavyweights haven't been good since Lennox, Mike, Evander, and the like" I dont know about that. Klitchko looked like garbage that last fight but he has dominated for over a decade. He is over 40 years old and it just maybe done for him as a high level boxer. Out of the group u listed I say Evander is the best there. How any of them would have done against current guys, well its never gonna be known.

 

Great points .. Honestly I thought at one time David Tua was going to carry the torch.

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He fought at BJCC fight before last.

 

To whom ever it may concern.

Yes a MMA fighter and a Bulldog can have innate abilities but only a human knows if he has these innate abilities a dog does not know that he has those innate abilities as he just does.

A MMA Fighter can be involved in competition on there own. A bulldog cannot be involved on there own and neither does he understand the concept of competition.

A sporting dog does not know what underestimate means so there for only a human can underestimate his opponent a bulldog cannot. Only the handler can underestimate his charges opponent. LOL

Yes there are good dogs that are not in the fast lane as well as there are good MMA fighters not in the UFC but a bulldog does not know he is good or that he won 1-2 or is a champion or grand champion, only his handler/owner knows that. lol

There are similarities between anything but there are certain things you just cannot compare due to the enormous differences between the two because the gap is just too wide like I tried to explain in my other post.

A bulldog will only produce a bulldog , while a human can only produce a human but both are produced by male to female fertilization/reproduction. The difference's between a human and dog out weighs the similarities.

Conclusion is that although you can find similarities between anything , the DIFFERENCES are so vast that it outweighs the similarties in which it makes comparing them moot, like apples and oranges......Its like saying piss and shit are totally different but they both are similar because both are considered waste material that is excreted out of a living organisms body/orifices. LMAO

Take a human baby from birth does he instinctively know that when he grows up he wants to be a prize fighter especially if there were no Environmental influences to encourage any type of fighting behavior?

On the other hand a game bred puppy from birth already has the built in INSTINCTS to fight, it does not need any outside environmental factors/influences to teach them how to fight because they ALREADY KNOW from INSTINCT, see the DIFFERENCE? Also since dogs do not understand the concept of influences there is nothing to influence there INSTINCTS one way or the other they just react to what ever they were born and bred to do.

WTF???? You welcome all feed back and opinions but you did not ask for them? LMAO....my goodness the powers that be brain washing technique is actually working LMAO.....Its like saying you are welcome to my house but I did NOT invite you to come in LMAOROTF.

Degree in the study of world religions??? LOL Did they not teach you that you CANNOT compare GOD to man, because its like comparing apples to oranges? LMAO

So I am guessing you did not appreciate my post??? LMAO....Im just fucking with ya man its all good. LOL

 

Hey bro, you missed my point. But it's all good as said. I have said I understand what you're saying but you are missing the gist of what I wrote.

I could go back and forth but I really don't care to.

I WELCOME feedback because I am not afraid of situations like this. But my original post was not posed as a question nor did say hey guys do you think I am right?

Whether a person or a dog knows it has innate abilities is besides my point. My point was that innate abilities exist in the arena of sporting competition and it is a dynamic of competition that in my opinion should not be overlooked.

All the other stuff is besides the point. I could have used a less controversial but I focused on the similarities figuring the differences were a given.

At any rate I can agree to disagree, but the funny thing is in a since you are right but you missed my point which takes in consideration what you have said understands the differences but made reference to the similarities which also are irrefutable.

Of course I appreciate your input that goes without being said. It's a mental exercise and like I said always welcome on my end.

As for my learning, I can assure you I am always trying to grow this is another reason I WELCOME the feedback of others even if I agree to disagree.

Thanks again for sharing

Yours in Sport
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I missed that one is why I gotta catch the next one. Or somewhere close to Bama

 

Klitchko, both of em, were/are usually 4+" taller and 20+lbs bigger than their opponents. He only dominated after Lennox retired. Lennox was the best heavyweight I have seen. Kid Dynamite the most explosive and possibly fastest HW I've seen. Lennox was a good boxer, had good power, decent chin. Evander should have stayed LH or Cruiser IMO. He was also the gamest mofo in that small group I named. David Tua had no stamina

 

"Klitchko, both of em, were/are usually 4+" taller and 20+lbs bigger than their opponents." could say the same about Lennox. Or that the division was thin on talent. Im not gonna bother looking it up but didnt that heavy bag w eyes Golotta give lennox all he could handle and only won on a DQ. Basically, cant say one was better than the other unless proven. Lennox beat Klitcko, but on a Dr stoppage due to a cut. Klitchko was ahead on the cards.