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Inbreeding is for fools and old men.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by ben brockton, Jun 23, 2022.

  1. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    What does this mean to you. Give your thoughts and reasoning.
     
  2. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    In the simplest terms, inbreeding is done to capture and maintain certain qualities. The more inbreeding, the more uniform they become in behavior and appearance. Unrestrained inbreeding is punished with mental and physical defects because inbreeding doubles the good qualities but triples any mistakes. So sometimes fresh blood from another family is needed to keep the dogs healthy and fit.
     
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  3. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Not so much about the " inbreeding " more about the fool and the old man part.
     
  4. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    People go crazy when they do inbreeding themselves. I myself am a pretty sensible old man,LOL.
     
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  5. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Imo the fool is the youth in us. Always in a rush very emotional no understanding of how to cut ties. The old man has experience more rational and a shovel and time to waste.
    The inbreeding not to preserve but to find the faults in order to cull them out.
     
  6. che

    che Top Dog

    Fool is the guy who says that…
     
  7. OG-PSK

    OG-PSK Pup

    There's a difference between inbreeding and line breeding. Line breed 4 gens, the outcross was my philosophy when I wore a younger man's clothes ;-)
     
  8. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I use inbreeding, line breeding and outcrossing as do most breeders that breed a family. It's knowing when to use which method that makes all the difference in the world. It's an art, it's a science and it's many times, just a roll of the dice no matter what method you use. Hell, my favorite breeding practice is a half bro/sis. It's evident in most any one of my dogs. Shit my whole line revolves around 2 full sisters and their half brother.
     
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  9. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lol I then thru his half brother into my mix. All of those 4 offspring are worth a bet.
     
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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I always lead off with 'I am not a breeder' but I do agree on the a half brother/half sister approach.

    Again, not a breeder and not into genetics but the pups from this that possess your selected family traits also throw those family traits, even with the outs. What makes them special is then the guy who runs the outs used in the half bro/half sis can use that dog across his dogs as the solid out for his dogs as well.

    Since I don't know anything about the subject I can say things that don't make any sense.......Half brother-half sister is like outcrossing and inbreeding in the same litter. Selection from there makes is a solid path going forward.

    I have even heard it was called 'a safer form of inbreeding'.

    S
     
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  11. stedz

    stedz Top Dog

    Fat bill used to sign off,on some of his books and mags with that message,i got one and it says "Remember inbreeding is for fools,old men and my neighbours in West Virginia.:))
     
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  12. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Coefficient wise that statement is pretty on point. I use this chart for reference from time to time.

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    Last edited: Jul 12, 2022
  13. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

     
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  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Way out of my league.

    S




     
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  15. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Fortunately for canines they tolerate it a lot better genetically than we humans do. Lol
     
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  16. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    This family feed a few Pit Bulls as well,OMG.LOL
     
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  17. So few Understand the science behind it
    They ignore the Work and Effort of those Long ago that not just bred but Put together Families.
    So many focus on the wrong thing.
     
  18. It shouldn't be out of anyone's if they are considering reproducing
     
  19. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    As many dogs as Bert Sorrells produced he never inbred and was against it. It's not everyone cup of tea but give it hell if it's yours .
     
  20. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Bert's dogs at the same weight would always look bigger.
     
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