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If you could have mentored under anyone...

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by CHUVALOFAN, Jul 26, 2015.

  1. The shovel aint ever been a problem here bro...lots of fats,protines will give of some runnyness,but throw in a bone even a few chicken wings.that should harden things up.
    every thing in moderation now.so to just feed hard bones alone is no good.and to just feed lard and nothing eles is no good either.
    a balence i think im trying to say.that dont mean it needs to be a bit of that and a bit this every single day lol.just a rough ballence is good.
     
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  2. Nice post.
    I always enjoy em.....

    Ide like to no others veiws on the dog coming of the top thing.indeed i was hessitent to right it.but i stick by what i said.
    dont get me wrong,ide prefair it to shake the deadness out of it untill rigger mortis sets in!...
    but i still would use one that came of the top if i thought it could win.would i breed it?i just cant say,as ive never been in that situation and im no breeder what so ever,but i suppose ide give it a go.
    hell,worser dogs get bred every day.
    i bred to a complete plug in 1835,so who the fuck am i to talk?ide rather breed to Sheena then my plug any day lol.

    Intresting to here other views on this.
    rough cur?
    or so game it will only fight with something what is still able to fight back?

    Maybe its of topic for this thread?
    or maybe some of you folks can remeber what your mentors had to say on the matter?

    All the best.
     
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  3. And i forgot about the Max-Smokey thing to.
    would Max of needed kicking out his corner if hed of had a better diet?

    and hed not has six eggs and milk to lol.
    man i go for a hike and i just die of sickness if im full.makes me ill as fuck.
    So the dog must of felt exsusted and ill as fuck for sure.....

    I no dogs are a bit diffrent from humans but you get what im saying.

    Sometime i confuse me self sometimes.
     
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  4. reids skipper

    reids skipper CH Dog

    You bred to a plug in 1835.. how f’n old are you soze ! lol
     
  5. stedz

    stedz Top Dog

    It must have been one of those foundation dogs ,great grand sire of charley lloyds pilot,lol.
     
  6. stedz

    stedz Top Dog

    Soze aint got a mill ,he got a fucking time machine.lol.
     
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  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Right on as far as just a Maintenance feed and not for a keep the Victor high pro and the Pro Plan all life stages are very good .All my dogs have tight, darker and smaller stools. it doesn't smell near as bad .Its not cheap ,least not for me but it's worth it
     
  8. billbulldog

    billbulldog Big Dog

    I now how soz bred to a plug in 1800s he's a fucking vampire he's seen many dogs through the centuries lol
     
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  9. I should of said" in me time travel days" lol...or "when i used to have a time mechine"....lol.
    and yeah,i feel like a vampire sometimes.

    Ill be normal in a hour or so.the acid i took yeasterday is starting to were of now.
     
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  10. Stedz it was that bear dog in the third gen of cockneys pilot LOL.
     
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  11. Finito

    Finito Big Dog

    If I was to go back to kibble then I would look to "cold pressed".
    Soze is correct in that it is kibble that is far more recent than raw & raw has been there from the very start. Few could afford to feed their own family never mind the dog so he was fed the leftovers,scraps he could find & bones left over..........alongside any kills he could make. The introduction of kibble also introduced all these allergies & constant visits to the vets. Take away the kibble & you can pretty much take away those expensive vet bills & have a much more complete & healthy dog.
    I guess it's all down to bone idle'ness as raw can be sourced pretty cheap. Let's face it,there is a whole lot out there who only own a dog lead so it can hang up on a hook 365 days of the year.
    I feed chicken,be that a carcass or wings with several joints on. The dogs work for their feed & get their teeth cleaned at the same time. Keeping the mouth clean is important,alongside those teeth. Smell a dogs breath who eats kibble & then smell it again after a month on a raw meat & bone diet. Juice all the veg up & freeze in ready made sizes for each meal. Plenty of supplements out there to ensure the dog gets everything he needs to add to the diet. I use aniforte but I forget the other I have tried which is very similar (maybe from Germany).
    No doubt there has been success with a kibble based diet,but I believe your standing still when you could be moving forward...................
     
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  12. reids skipper

    reids skipper CH Dog

    I never ment that raw wasn't out before kibble What i ment was who knew about barf or even fed raw until dr billinghursts book appeared on the scene ? I would say no one but it all took off with that and other information on feeding the barf diet ... theres no doubt it is a great way of feeding but as anything it all depends on how many dogs you have and how much spare time you have and storage space etc ... i do remember kk saying that he never noticed any difference when conditioning on raw and kibble ? I also remember people saying that you couldn't get the balances etc right all the time when feeding the barf diet ?
     
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  13. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Some interesting posts.. Think the kibble I fed most during the 80's was one called Febo Proffesional, then changed to Eukanuba, but felt even that wasn't great.. Dropped the kibble altogether and started a mixture of Ox cheek & brown lentils, boiled the lentils with other pulses in a big pot, then froze them in bags, just took out however many bags I needed and that was the base of the feed, but majority of bowl was Ox cheek with other stuff off the table or past date from fridge, them dogs, fed that way was healthiest I owned, I mean they were gleaming, obviously people today a lot more clued on feeding with the nutrition info that's available.
     
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  14. Somewere between the 60s and 70s it seems people lost there old sence of direction.then by that bastard Thatchers day,up till now.we as a nation, became thick as fuck.
    then in the 90s sometime,Billinghurst became some sort of a revolution..
    however....in Billinghursts secound book he freely admits to being no sort of a revolution at all.and states his methods were a common way of feeding dogs prior to 1970...and have never changed with some people in Oz and NZ.

    My grandad never fed no kibble.he would laugh at the idea.and for a number of reasons.the main being he found it un naturel food for a dog,and the fact that grain attracts rats for miles is not such a good idea when the rats only have to travel a few foot.let alone a mile.lol.there was a lot of rats back then.
    Finito is right that people could hardly afford food for em selfs, and the dogs would of lived on scraps what never got ate boiled up with the potato skins.the odd bone and offel.but thats what would of been the filla.yup.thats right,boiled potato skins!.
    better then wheat or corn for a dogs gut.
    the one out the bunch to be conditiond would of had its diet changed.
    It would of got a stew of some sort with again the odd bone and the odd scrap of raw meat.if that dog won,then the hole family ate scouse for a week!

    So look.with out being confusing...
    people could hardly eat,but what they ate was healthy.just stews.
    so the dogs got the left over stew and to bulk it up because there just would not have been enough to go around they would get the potato skins boiled up and mixed in to.nothing got wasted then.not even the peel of ya ta tas.(and why give a dog spud when it can have skin?its a dog and i doubt it would notice the diffrence lol)
    the conditiond dog got the privlige to his own pot of stew,what would of lasted that dog a few days.
    you boil a bit of fatty meat up and when it sets,that fatty jelly on the top is good for man or beast.if they made a pound of meat do for there own stew,they would of made a pound last the dog a few days.at the start of its keep they would have used left over bread to mix with it..but more on into its keep they would of swapped the bread for bits of raw meat....at least i think thats what they did.LOL.

    Another thing ide like to point out is you could just make your own kibble.
    your just baking bistcuts.flour,dryed meat,the black dryed tripe.oils.salt to keep it fresh.
    need a big oven lol.
    and it be fiddly.but look at it this way-at least you know whats going in it!

    Get ya cheffing skills out and dont be bone idol like Finito says lol.
    haha if ya think feeding raws a pain in the arse its batter then baking a million little kibbles lol.

    I have baked bicuts for dogs.
    But i just baked one big one and split it between them. lol.


    All the best.
     
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  15. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I think most folks that are older back in the day fed more table scraps than kibble I know we did .Kibble just made things easier is why most went to it
     
  16. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    many generations of dogs survived off the village dump, refuse (as they still do in some parts). kept them alive I suppose but not exactly performance nutrition either. so I don’t think the 'holy grail' raw/homemade diet precluded commercial dog food argument is a as clean a transition as some may speculate.
     
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  17. reids skipper

    reids skipper CH Dog

    Thats it bama as i say the kibble is just the base ... theres always left over in ours mine get all sorts added like acv ,meat ,vegetables pasta the lot ... i have two big bowls in the kitchen and our lass fills them up everday :)
     
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  18. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I grew up on a farm and we cooked 3 big meals a day.We fed the farm hands that worked for us also.Plenty of scraps.
     
  19. I dont either mate...i think they get what they get.ha there dogs at the end of the day.
    on the other hand.that is the doggy nerds way of thinking......
    theres always room to improve from a performance point of veiw.
    always.
    its true.a dog and person are not the same.but there diets are closely related.from a surviel point of view or a performace point of view.the diet is very similare.
    why?because were both ombvious and were both ruthless predotors.and we have both lived a symbolic relationship,paw in hand for at least ten thousand years..

    Weve got along fine for that long.
    i dont see them adapting to kibble in the last fifty years and doing any better.
     
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  20. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    I’m on board mate, but how is this verified? I guess one can argue the digestive tract of the wolf is essentially the same as the domesticated dog…
    Yet reading historical accounts here on this forum - doesn’t seem working dogs 50+ years ago had the advantage in longevity, workability, physicality etc., through nutrition - than the dogs of today. What do you think?
     
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