how is it possible i have a blue puppy born from this breeding

im trying to make sure all the puppies get a chance. ive had some puppies who damn near died come up and become top dog. or are you asking why is he much weaker. best answer I can say to that would be he is the weaker pup in the litter. this is a brand new litter to the world. he is on his 3rd day now. everytime I come in I see he feels slightly empty. when I put him on a nipple, another pup manages to push em aside to take the tit. but yes, I agree when yall say game has no color. that's true. and I did consider he may be seal, but he looks way to blue to be seal. I don't have a ped. but I know the parents aint no joke in other words,"good dog."

 

I guess I can be more sure when he matures. it something I thought would be interesting to share with yall.

 

close to evry litter has a silly one

 

I was once told blue is a dilution of black so maybe if the mum and dad are black you could have got a dilute pup ? but im no expert just going of what somebody said to me

 

Is it a Boudreaux blood behind either parents? Would love to see if a ped if possible, if no ped and she is just neighborhood bred dog then it's possible some blue is in them. But if you seen enough heavy Eli dogs you seen one that came out Seal colored or even Bluish color.

 

As has already been noted blue is just a dilute of black and means nothing. Lot of ignorance about colour in the old days where people thought a blue dog was proof of "staff" blood. You can research colour in genetics and it really isn't a terribly difficult subject. Merle and Black and tan for instance have to be present in both sides of the pedigree for it to appear in a pup and lines can carry the gene for generations before throwing a pup of that coloration.

The blue pup is no more likely to be a good one or a bad one it is just going to be a blue one.

 

Good point Dunlap, if one doesn't know the difference between seal and blue they could be confused. I have male and female out of pure dogs. She's jet black he's seal. Dad was rednose mom was black with a few seal littermates. Take care

 

If it is as simple as a dilute of black. Then where are all these gamebred blues? I understand genetics and know it is possible with roosters and happens often but have yet to see it in gamedogs. With all the thousands of black dogs bred every year you would think that the defenders of the "blue" color would offer more proof than the standard generic phrase " It's just a dilute of black" or post a link to the Mexican dog "Bellon's CH Soga" as a claim to fame that there are such things as Unicorns.

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=231848

 

Dilution (d) is a modifier gene that is carried separately from the gene that determines COLOR (black or brown). So, you ALSO have to have dd to ACT on the gene for BLACK. So, blue is not "just" a diluted black. The totally separate gene (d), inherited separately, is required for the black to be modified to what we call "blue". It also acts on other pigment, say, fawn, to get that "blue fawn" (but of course is most noted for it's effect on BLACK pigment). Any color dog can carry dilution (have just one copy of the gene) and it IS recessive, so can hide for a long time. Close breeding will certainly tend to reveal it, if it is there at all.

 

They used the wrong color paint when they made the dog lol. The Blue Paul was used extensively in the make up of our modern dogs so it would be likely that a blue one would pop up now and again.

 

I believe blue is a mutation of black.

 

10 or so years ago I remember seeing a gamebred blue dog down at eppinette kennels but I can't remember what line he said she was from. IMO tho I'd say the dog has to have blue somewhere back in its line.. like Bushwick said black dogs are being bred together all the time so where are all these blue gamedogs at?

 

if no one has answered it.. you did in your original question and post.. Mom is a red rednose and dad is like ol iron head which is a form of smut or black and tan even though he was red on yellow. I know this trait well as well as brindle. Brindle trumps it normally however hammonds stuff got a mutation back when and that stuff can throw brindled points on a black and tan genome. .. BLUE?? not likely. Look as the pup grows you should NOTICE that the hairs are ALL different color black yellow(white) and red all mixed from affar it looks blue or seal. .. if the pup truly has GREY pigmentation then it is a dilute and a blue. Hope it helps.

 

Its something that rarely ever happens, until somebody takes two rare occurrences and starts breeding specifically to create that

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

No my personal favorite is when they take it to vet for something and the vet writes APBT on paperwork, and they think that means its purebred even though they ain't got a clue how its bred

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

Just because a dog is BLACK, it does not mean he ALSO carries the gene for dilution. They are carried separately as I explained above.

 

Right that's why every black dog isn't gonna have the gene. But if you purposely breed dogs that you know to carry that trait, over the years you will eventually start to get all blue. Just like a lot of times when a person linebreeds on a particular dog over the years it tends to become one specific look

Sincerely Yours, Cajun

 

Not to turn this into a merle thread but you're mistaken. Merle is dominant so theres no just carrying the gene around hidden for generations. If one parent is merle, half the litter will be. If neither are, none will be. There aren't carries of the gene.

Tan points though, you're right. Same with liver, dilution and piebald.

 

Could it be the pup is silver colored? there's a difference between blue and silver at that age...silver will go black, but slightly lighter except on spine,legs,nose, head..I've seen silver pups turn even brindle.
As they get older, it's nose will darken...blue will not, it will stay blue