how genetics work

Can you be specific on what individuals you speak of? No reason to be coy unless you were interested in having anything but an adult conversation.

"vagueness and error" can be a simple function of ignorance and can have very little if anything to do with content-- Did you forget Arthur C. Clarkes quip already? There is a reason why its famous and I invoked it on this thread. The rest of your post is postmodernism at its worst. Didn't I correct you on this previously when I explained how your bankrupt position has fared through history. I also referred you to Gross and Levitt's well received and rigorous expose of these dubious claims in their brilliant book Higher Superstition. At this point, you might want to familiarize yourself with Alan Sokal; he (and the rest of the SCIENTIFIC community) has had a field day with you and your kind..........

While your at it, check out D. Deutsch's essay in the 2013 best American science and nature writing. David provides yet another brilliant statement to folks like you. How about P. Davies Q&A response @ Beyond belief 2006? Do you see the breadth of knowledge?

Maybe an analog is in order: a visitor or new member is encouraged to navigate the site (read the relevant material) to get familiarized with things before speaking on things. Not sure but I am guessing that this is to prevent wasting folks time and preventing one from looking like a fool in front of their peers. But I could be mistaken.

"one's own science"? Is there more than one Scientific Method? Can you share with us the latest "scientific information and findings" that you are staying "abreast" with?

 

You can stuff your head up a books ass all you want and you might learn some interesting things about genetics and different breeding theories but breeding dogs isn't a statistical mathematical science. I'm sorry it just ain't.

With almost every great breeder you encounter, if you spend time with them or hear many stories about them. You'll realize that one of there biggest assets is their EYE for a bulldog. Not being able to recite authors and texts and jack themselves off at the thought of people finding them smart. NO!! They breed from experience because there is no theory or formula that will help us produce the intangibles we want.

It's good to know how to use genetics especially for hereditary issues you may be trying to steer clear of. It helps keep what you have healthy. Thinking for one second that it's gonna give you bulldogs is a serious pipe dream.

There are 2 very simple things that give you better dogs. Having the eye to see what is real(not what you think is going on) and having the dedication to drop the hammer on them dogs whether you want to or not.

Go get ur hands messy... Makes it harder to pick them books back up

 

Oh wait... Hate to be coy... Pull ur head out of that books ass and stop jacking off. I'm talking directly at you chicken on a chain.

 

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Beautifully worded Dan, layman's style. Some question and speculate and some get it done.

 

Yall still respond to that fella lol.

 

Hahaha.. throw it out in crayon for everyone to take in there Brockton.. LOL Limey, page 1 post, probably one of the best posts I've read by ya. Good posts everyone else too. Genetics... LOL they don't lie, I'll tell ya that they do breed true. Remember 1 individual is a representation of 20,000 individuals gentically, and 756 directly. MORE REALLY the 10 gen is the better idea which is what I look just behind a 7gen to see the foundation of genetics at hand. Dunno but this is a good thread, some of you crack me up.

 

Thru years of trial & error we came to one conclusion about genetics & breeding . A gene pool can be manipulated to a breeders desire. But it takes consistency . They might not splice on the 1st breeding or two or stick with the 3rd or 4th. But by consistently forcing the genes you will get the desired results. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=427582

 

This is actually some good information compressed....

 

Genetics is mathematical, actually more Calc. You have constants and variables, you have some square routes, multiplying division, fractions or decimals... Its very "mathmatic". you me, your dog, what ever is a mathematical representation of 20,000 + ancestors. The point of keeping a pedigree is to know where those traits come from. The fact that say one of a type comes up once every other litter when X'd to a type dog, thats mathematical. So on and so on. If the dogs don't breed true, math is off, knowing your dog is off which could be from not knowing the pedigree or maybe a rung dog somewhere giving false traits under a said family or line. That then would be a variable, how many pups dropped how many have it and how many keep it no matter how you tight or X'd you get it.. Does that make sense?
This is why outcrossing is actually very dangerous if your a family breeder harboring family traits. Must know the dog is true to its ped and breeds true. Record all the said traits from offspring before and of the producing parent and all around it. Look at the difference in the traits and %'s OH!! %'s thats MATH!!!! My dog is 3/4 redboy or what ever thats MATH! ... ITs all science really genetically speaking thus using mathematical and calculus, even down to the scientific method of proving game by them Cajun ways. Thats even mathematical.

 

"Always" is a word typically used by children and the undereducated when describing something which is not a constant or bound by any law. If, as you state, "....you always put words in peoples mouths......", you should be able to provide an example or two for consideration. Unfortunately, you failed to provide any explicit examples. It appears that you are attempting to misrepresent. Apart from the aforementioned, i will further illustrate my point.

Can you provide examples of the type of ".....calculations NEEDED in breeding these dogs.."? Can you show where i explicitly stated that science is "...always derived from laboratories."? The rest of your waxing seems to be a function of being unaware of the differences between anecdotal and empirical and how they are used and viewed in various domains within Science.


Can you explained to me how you misinterpreted my question to mean that you provide original content from your own "..discoveries."? Where did i explicitly state that you said anything about having "....made any discoveries."? I merely ask what current or relatively current scientific information did you know about that could be relevant to the topic of discussion. Are you deliberately misrepresenting, unfamiliar with basic science nomenclature or having trouble with the English language? Is it all three or a combination?

It is usually a good idea to provide an operational definition of words or concepts not covered in the OED or may be heavily contingent on context.
Can you please define "excellent bulldog" before i attempt to answer your question? It is clear that you fail to understand the difference between someone not partaking in and someone incapable of partaking in. Can you explain how bulldogs are fundamentally different from other organisms (including other breeds of dog) or complex physical or chemical systems that scientist have been involved with? Are you suggesting that breeding "excellent bulldogs" is approaching intractable? Are you aware that Grisha relatively recently solved (provided proof of) a long-standing topological problem which evaded some of the most intelligent and accomplished minds of the twentieth century? At least Hilbert and Poincare would have been impressed. Maybe you should ask Wall street and Vegas about scientist applying rigor and formal knowledge to these two domains (gambling and investing). Majority, if not all, of the Dogmen you mentioned were scientist. Here is the
definition of scientist:

A scientist, in a broad sense, is one engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge. In a more restricted sense, a scientist may refer to an individual who uses the scientific method.[1] The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science.[2]

Not only do Dogmen fit the broad definition, but most also meet the second condition which is a more restricted description. Either you are not well versed in what a Dogman does or have little regard for what they do and have accomplished. You may want to familiarize yourself with the history of astronomy and biology and the contributions that lay professionals and amateur investigators have made to the discipline.

Are you aware that "credentials" is a concept usually not recognized in Science? In other words, there is no authority other than a scientific fact or statement exhibiting a degree of accuracy previously unstated (pedigree doesn't "make" a dog but a dog "makes" its pedigree). It is clear from your writing and apparent mindset that "authority" (paper) is of greater value than content (dog).


In conclusion, i find it hypocritical and disingenuous of you to accuse me of pedagogy after reading the content of your post. Breeding "excellent bulldogs" is a sub routine of animal husbandry, which is a sub discipline of biology and is bound by and subsumed by the theories and laws of physics, chemistry and biology. I had the privilege of sitting down and talking with Heinzl's protege (RIP). Our views on breeding dogs were very similar. I routinely interact with contemporaries of Heinzl, Tudor, Brown,etc...and our views on breeding dogs are very similar. I suggest you spend less time creating cute avatars and second rate, bordering on nonsensical quotes and more time on being a student and advocate of the breed and discipline.


P.S. I apologize for the delayed rebuttal but i was busy reading a number of good books that i acquired since we last spoke including (I was reminder of our conversation because i am getting ready to breed after almost six years):

The natural history of inbreeding and out breeding (Thornhill)
Vehicles - Experiments in synthetic psychology (Braitenberg)
Mutation-driven evolution (Nei)
Cycles of contingency (ed. Oyama, etc)
Functions in biological and artificial worlds (ed. Krohs/Kroes)
Clonality (Avise)
What is life (Regis)
Selectivity and Discord (Franklin)
Darwin's devices (Long)
The Artificial Intelligence debate (ed. Graubard)
Robot futures (Nourbakhsh)
Brainchildren (Dennett)
Science without laws (ed. Creager, etc)
Judging Science (Foster/Huber)

I may have left out a few. I am currently reading:

Thinking in time (Neustadt/May) - Applied History?!!!!?
Interop (Palfrey/Gasser)
What every Engineer should know about AI (Taylor)

If you are sincere in wanting to educate yourself utilizing resources from "both sides of the aisle" (Dogmen and Academia), than i suggest you pick up:

Dog days/raven nights (Marsluff/Marsluff) - You will have the opportunity to learn more about dogs and the mentor/protege dynamic in the
form of lead researcher/post-doc relationship.
What every engineer should know about AI - You will see first hand how a little additional knowledge about a system can produce exponential
increase in the quality of output through great examples from expert systems.
Judging Science - The authors succinctly write about the fundamental tenets in Science including the fallacy of authority. They also cover Logic
and dabble in epistemology and phenomenology.

 

Here you go TDK:



She is equally comfortable in her chain space or in the house with the kids. She may be the source of some of the hostility you see on this thread (and others).

 

damn - someone break out a dictionary ...

 

lol Your friend is back I see . Hey chicken whatcha up man ? It's been a long time since you been on . Hope all is well and keep reading because education is so important in life . How is the truck doing ? Sure would like to see some more pictures of it . Nice looking dog but the chain is to long . You wouldn't want her to hang herself .

 

Whats going on oldgoat!? I am doing just fine. I hope you and your dogs are doing well also. I agree that education is important but i read primarily because i am not very bright and need all the help i can get. Anything interesting you would like to recommend? The 65 has been collecting dust in the garage although i do crank her up and take her out from time to time. I'll see if i can dig up a recent picture. Thank you for complimenting my dog and yes, the chain is unusually and ridiculously long; even longer than it appears in the photo. I understand your concern and appreciate the advice. That has been her chain most of her life although she hasn't been on it for a few years now. She is a free-ranging untethered dog who spends most of her days sleeping or running the perimeters of the property screaming. Her father used the chain previously and spent majority of his life (into his teens) on it. I was given the chain and axle from an oldtimer. You are right, i would be devastated if she lost her life because of my incompetence or for any other reason for that matter. The perimeter walls and fences are tall enough to contain her and her vertical lift. Post a picture of a dog you currently own and are proud of if you don't mind. Take it easy.

 

Oh not much chicken . Just been breeding some bucks out in the pen . They sure are nice . My family were teachers so I love to read . But I only read what makes me interested these days . My Mom and Grandmother and Sister and Aunt and Uncle and cousin were teachers . The dogs are doing good . We've caught a couple of boar right before deer season then we shot a couple . I have an old bitch that will be 13 in 2 months and her niece is 9 1/2 . I had a old male that could climb very well so I was just checking making sure that gyp you have can't get over the wall . The young dog is doing very good . At 10 months he caught a 40-50 lbs boar all by himself dog by the pond . Oh yes i sure like the old trucks and cars . What kind of gas mileage do you get in it ?

 

Here's a book i'm reading . It sure is very interesting .

The Book JackHerer.com

 

He even has a strain of cannabis named in hisbhonor..Jack that is..got red hairsball over it also..red n green brindle..
super potent shit..cough cough

 

to a degree, yes.

Heritability