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History of Amstaff/Blue APBTS

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by NoRemorse, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. This is something that always puzzled me , Scottish blue and all that crap
    this is the 21st century we have known for almost a hundred years how genetics works
    blue is a dilution of black , probably someone got this genetic variation in there dogs and thought it looked fancy

    blue poll or blue pall was probably some strain and they kept breeding them together , if they were that good they would be around and eventually survived and shipped to USA or something

    this always reminds me of them dublin red stories
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  2. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    My thoughts on most of the modern blue dogs are a cross between a am staff and a neapolitan mastiff. My reasoning for this is blue dogs always seem big. Have loose lips and fairly loose skin in the neck area. I have never seen a blue dog that I would consider a game dog. Dogs such of as the blue paul from what I have read were not so common and have been gone for a very long time. I would image that they got bred into the other pit dogs of the British Isles and the breed as a pure went extinct. I can not see the small trace amount of the blood having a effect on the color of the dogs today.
  3. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    I always like to point out that DBL GR CH Tornado had blue dogs in pedigree. It likes to ruffle folks feathers. Alsowhen she was bred to Butch..also heave bred on a Blue bitch..produced.
    There are some good blue dogs in past..just have to study a bit.
    I have seen a few good dogs that happen to be blue. I have also chatted with the fella who owned Misty Blue in regards to her impact on their lines.
  4. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Big difference in a blue colour in a game dog pedigree , and a dog and bloodline bred just to be blue ,
  5. Here ya go Dusty
    the one with the muzzle on is a Blue Poll
  6. That's what it said ,,not sure on who drew it???....maybe some one may no???.....
    It said the one with muzzle on is a Blue Poll...and the one lying down is a Bulldog...

    I think it's a great piece of art....
    Not sure who drew it???...not sure on the date ,but I think it's dated 1840s.
  7. LMFAO!...:)):)):))..I just noticed the Facebook page I stole the drawing from has got there name printed into the middle of the pic.
    Ha,ha lol....
    Sorry to that Facebook page.hope you don't mind?as you never drew it anyways.and this is purely for historical discussion on the Blue Poll..so it's all worthy to point out that they were not blue

    Yeah,, I'm a idiot:)):)):)):)):))
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  8. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

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  9. How do you no this stuff?.
    True historian!
    Thanks for that.

    And is that what the original says hey?. "Scotch Terrier".....wow.great piece of art,great piece of history.and that "Scotch Terrier",is most definitely a true "Poll"...so it seems then..would you agree?..
    Some Polls were refeard to as "Scotch Terriers".......but the true Scottish Terriers were hairy earth dogs.that Scotch Terrier in the print is more Bulldog.I think the terrier in the pit dogs to be a little over stated..not saying Terriers and Bulldogs have never been crossed.just that I think the pit dogs had more of the baiting dogs influence to them.and the Polls or fighting Scotch Terriers were no different to any other Pit strain in the U.K..and they to,had more of a baiting dog influence....

    Who knows?.
    Great mysterious history .....but of trying puzzle it all together,it dose seem these Blue Polls were not blue.

    Blue for the Scottish flag.Poll for pit..terrier?.perhaps like any other areas,some pit strains Bull and Terrier,and so on....maybe because Bullbaiting and dog fighting had been banned.and the dogs used for them sports were frowned upon in society..Rat pit sports still carried on until 1912.and Terriers are the dogs for that,so maybe Bulldogs were passed of as Terriers to keep under the radar???...
    Who no s ,who nos...
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  10. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    I just think Blue Poll / Paul was local name , like Staff Bull Terriers , in Midlands , Bull dogs , Pit Bull terriers moat other places , but Pit in Gaelic is Poll ,,
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  11. Seen this one then Dusty???
    Bluish tinge to them perhaps?
    John Ferneley seniors Nelson and Argo,Lord Brownlows Bull Terriers of 1831.....

    John Ferneley worked in Ireland in the early 19th century;this painting was dated 1831.Lord Brownlows ancestors descend from Anne,sister of John Brownlow,Lord Viscount Tyrconnel of the kingdom of Ireland......source:David Hancocks book Sporting Terriers..

    I'm sure John Ferneley was from Lancashire?.witch is Northern England...Northern England was also a strong point for the "Polls".....perhaps there's some truth of them coming from Ireland originally?.from Ireland into Scotland and Northern England?...
    Who knows.....
    That drawing is going for a whopping 100,000 USD Dollas!...
  12. That's meant to say David Hancock book....not a smily face ...typo error.lol.
  13. And I agree to...bout it being local name.
  14. I gotta say that's a fabulous drawing....maybe they been loosed for a bump???
  15. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

  16. They sure do lol....
    variation perhaps ??lol..

    Google it tho..it says they Bull Terriers "Nelson"and "Argo".

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