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Good or not necessarily good?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Malik81, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Malik81

    Malik81 Premium Member Premium Member



    Im not sure im follwing you,,,if pee wee was flop why was he bred,,, or was his production a flop???

    Different breedings produce different results with in the SAME BLOOD and even SAME BREEDING,,,
    the bigger the litter the more chances of the right semen hitting the right egg and so forth IMO...

    Because the uncle was flop has no bearings on the siblings producing ability,,,
    in this case if the aunt dont produce the uncle might,,,lol...

    its nice to have solid pedigree and for those to in the pedigree to have some solid siblings,,,
    but breeding is more luck than skill,,, but they go hand in hand...

    You question the uncle as a flop,,,
    I question the breeders standards as both dogs look untouched and prabably bred on the grandparents merits alone ans speacilizing in three fifty seven blood,,,
    S&K,,, the original owners of 357 would laugh and pass it up,,, and it was thier old blood...

    with you questioning the uncle as a flop to me pointing out the obvious,,, I would also pass...
  3. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Pee wee was cold, I wouldn't say he was untouched, he was looked at, that i am 100% sure of.. I do agree though with everything else. I never had an interest in any of them dogs so I too would pass but if you like that line then I would try it. It's a roll of the dice. Personally, for what they charge for a pup I'd go buy a ready to go prospect and cut out the 2 years of picking up dog shit and feeding.
  4. Malik81

    Malik81 Premium Member Premium Member

    Pee wee was definitely touched, and yet I insisted on breeding him cause I loved the blood, its definitely my mistake and a huge one. Yap guys at wardog were even not encouraging the purchase to start with lol. Wish I listened to them.

    Anyway why would he write none is for sale in the US?

    Anyone with past experience trying to purchase such, that can tell us what the price tag might look like for such a pup?
    I won't contact the seller since I have no intention in buying any, so it's pointless to approach him.

    Just curious
  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm sure they are higher than camel cock.

    One dog being a flop is not indicative of the entire family. Both those dogs are chock full or winners and producers. The 'paperwork' indicates pretty good odds. Time will tell.

    Like AGK said, for what they cost a yearling/two year old might be a better option.

  6. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    Good and better than most...
  7. Jacob

    Jacob Top Dog

    great this is the exact route i was thinking off. breeding type and a pup. damn it will be an expensive risk
  8. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    There is no cheap hobby, especially when it becomes a lifestyle(when done the right way)..imhoijs
  9. bluedoglover

    bluedoglover Top Dog

    He said its a private litter. So I assume that means he's breeding for himself and the ones he doesn't need or want will be headed overseas where they cannot compete with him. Or at least that's how I see it.
  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Which is code for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

  11. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    If I had to guess, and I've seen them advertise before, your looking at 2000 - 2500 for a pup from them. At least. Now if I just had to have a puppy and it was that price I assure you both parents would be Gr Ch's not 2 dogs that aren't even 1xers. That's a big gamble to me. But if money is no object to you and you don't mind shelling out that kind of cash on a puppy then I'd say go for it. Worse case scenario, you have to care for and pick up after it for 2 years to find out its a cur. Too rich for this po pimp... :lol:
  12. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    They sell pups from a 1000 -2500, just talk to them last wk... two gr ch, po pimp...lmao
  13. Jacob

    Jacob Top Dog

    Guys the reason people are shelling out the cash cause their seeing how these dags are doing worlwide. Not to say that weapon x is not safe guarded by the boys by in the good old US of A they are where you find them but big names will always be a big names especially when you got flashy websites and guys promising you dogs that have been bred for foremost first Gameness even PIK said it himself the more time goes on the more people seek my redboy dogs cause of their GAMENESS thats all.But not all some want the fasties or the bluies or the bullies or the mouthies when all said and done i want the deep gamies and i have a feeling if you try and get away from that sucess will only be temporary.
  14. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    Exactly, those are fastlane dogs...
  15. Thunder98

    Thunder98 Big Dog

    Man its some good stuff.....if the peds are true...Lol. Sorry pee-wee didn't make it. I wonder how the other littermates turned out.
    I don't believe everyone in a litter will turn out to be good no matter what the price is. Im sure there have been all game litters but in whose eye. I personally love how pee-wee was bred, as well as the ones that are not for sale in the USA.

    Perhaps you have a female, from there grab a stud from them....stud fee paid now you have your own in the states....
    Instead of 1 for 1000-2500, you now have 6-8 for a grand or so.....im sure they will throw you something worth the money.

    I know some people with these dogs and they absolutely love them......I want to grab a female someday, with that Hollingworths' Bull close up. Ill take that Mr Machobuck stuff too...jm2c.....its all about the ears man the ears. ...Lol rbjbt...
  16. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    Ditto! Love that hollingsworth stuff, and will be getting some more of it... soon, very soon!
  17. mitchmmd

    mitchmmd Pup

    I got a machobear x ms. machobuck pup a couple of years ago, he was a decent looking pup, but I never did anything with him, so I can't say anything good or bad about him on that end, I will say that it's all about the money, i paid $2000 for the pup, because at the time I didn't know where else to look for that blood and when I went to the guys house to pick him up he told me that the larger headed male pup was already spoken for but for $2500 I could get him instead, lol. I was no dog expert but I was not looking for head size so I passed up on his generous offer, lol.
    I'm not here to bash anyone but I have done business with that kennel and his partner on several occasions and if anyone needs any information about them feel free to pm me.
  18. Mr.Mr.203

    Mr.Mr.203 AKA ladybug

    So after several dealings, where would you go to get the blood? Btw he must have seen you coming lol ijs


    you can look at the two siblings and tell exactly how they turned out,,,
    2k a pup from siblings that dont look to have anywhere but the brood pen,,,
    but hey if theres a market for them,,,
    not for sale to the states as if a better form of that blood has not been here,,,
    to want some thing you cant have and pay that much for it shows that the blood is being sought,,, not a bulldog!!!
    If pee wees owners didint back him and another person bred to him with bad results,,,
    I would say thats all the indicator we got to go on as far as the immediate family,,, hmmmm...

    Not to mention any names,,,
    but some friends got some dogs from the other man that helped make bullyson famous,,,
    and he just let go a breeding pair of tested adults for 5k,,, a young prospect for 3k and two pups for 1k each,,,
    but,,,hell his book has been sold for more than he let one pup go for...

    Personally I wouldnt pay that for either one of the parents either...

    puma looks to be a nice one...
  20. mitchmmd

    mitchmmd Pup

    What are you getting at by he must have seen me coming?

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