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Garners “Tramp Redboy” pups

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Bangman, Dec 8, 2020.

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  1. Soze the killer

    Soze the killer CH Dog

    Did he beat red boy?
     
    Soze the killer, Dec 15, 2020
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  2. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    I have a different opinion about All of our original stock Bulldog's.
    Slim , I have nothing but respect for you and as others have already said, you stay on point. Im of a different opinion about Reboy's said lineage , then 30 plus years later folks want to change history of one of the greatest lines of Bulldog's on the planet. From 1989 to this said time. #1 The Colby' line have produced ever color but Solid Black .( Fact ) Black as pups ,as they grow older a few patches of Brindle show up. Also Red, Fawn, piebald what have you. Now if Redboy was of unknown family 30 plus years later, How did it produce so well? It would be scatterbred imo. We all know the story of Gr Ch. 35 was of unknown lineage, he never produced high caliber bulldogs. I'm believe that Redboy's was bred as his original papers state, with a few mistakes or lies in the paper work . This is paper hanging. A pure Colby male http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=152
     
    corvettedex, Dec 15, 2020
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  3. Soze the killer

    Soze the killer CH Dog

    Colour wise did they produce red red noses though Dex???

    I can’t find any in Lou’s book man.
    I can find Paddy and Dixie at the front,who are both white but they appear to have red noses.cant say for sure either mate because the pic is black and white.
    These are the only two I can find and these are from the 1890s..he dose also make a remark about his dads dog Tige that was bred (I think)to a lighter bitch and J.P kept back a red nosed pup to give to lightener.

    Apart from that mate I can’t find no pics or references to red red noses pure Colby dogs.

    Have you ever had or threw this colour with your own Colby dogs Dex?
     
    Soze the killer, Dec 15, 2020
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  4. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    Most times stories should be presented as they are told or written.
    I don’t have a problem with anything you posted...Do you bro!
     
    jstevens, Dec 15, 2020
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Mr. Cable had dogs that were believed to be from Mr. Krebbs, just like Stidham and Teal. If the "Cable" and "Stidham" dogs were bred back to a dog that was made up of the same things they were made from it would be some loose line breeding, line breeding and maybe an occasional in-breeding. The fact the Jocko-Red Boy , which turned to Red Boy Jocko dogs stood the test of time, and so many different people had success with the same strain of dogs, would make wonder if it were an actual out cross in the beginning. Odds are not, as history suggests they could have performed as a family but would not have produced as a family.

    It is a fun topic. The best part about it is that after all these years it really means nothing. A person could pick the Hemphill theory, the Bullet theory or the Colby theory, or even the Krebb's theory and we could debate til the cows come home as all the first hand knowledge has long since faded.

    It is funny as I could give two shits about breeding dogs but pedigrees and how a dog is bred and how is really bred is one of my favorite subjects.

    I'm all jacked up like that.

    S



     
    slim12, Dec 15, 2020
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  6. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Colbys Belle was a red nose Bitch .
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [17729] :: COLBY'S BELLE (1928)
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=17729
    that was many years ago but theres been others more recent times.
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [864] :: COLBY'S PENNY (FULLER'S PENNY)
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=864
    I have had Red with white blaze myself. I I've seen a few red nose Colby hounds in my lifetime. The Real Colby dogs faded with the times based on the fact the family was under the microscope. John R. Colby decided to cross his Bulldog's many years ago.
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [382114] :: ^B-LO BROWN'S COLBY JOSEPH
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=382114
    for everyone, when is the last time any of us have seen a Piebald pure Colby? Such as Colbys Pincher ? There used to be a member here ABK'S( rip) "Abundantly Blessed Kennels" a history buff and lots of old treads here on gamedog. Long story short, The Best Bulldog's on the planet go back to our forefathers, even before J.P. Colby, Lightner , Corvino, Henry, Tuder, Heinzel Boudreau, Carver, ect. These great men bred Best on Best for the betterment of the breed. Back to Redboy , Iron Mike and I spoke on the phone yesterday about Redboy line. He said , If your going to get a Redboy hound make sure it come off of Redboy/ Cat. with a Snooty out. Not heavy inbred on Snooty. What do you all think?
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [389] :: BASS' CAT
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=389
     
    corvettedex, Dec 15, 2020
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  7. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    corvettedex, Dec 15, 2020
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  8. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    corvettedex, Dec 15, 2020
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  9. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    It is fun to talk about. The controversy of our Bulldog's. Many years before computers, online peds ect pre 1976 Dog men could openly advertise many weights open for match. The animal cruelty act really didn't get serious until the went and raided Floyeds place on a hot summer day, Bulldog's chewing through crates in hot ass box trucks killing each other. That was Lou's biggest fear along with many other Dogmen, ladys too. So back then competition was fierce. So some of the world's Greatest breeders would sell you a Bulldog but not there recipe for success. A little known fact about The Colby family of hounds from day 1. J.P. was the 1st peddler. Through out the family generations if anyone purchased a pup, adolescent, adult, or took a bitch to breed into a Colby male, the family left the paperwork open. You bought it, call it what you want too. If they would have done any different, we would see Colby in about 95 % of every lineage the is.
     
    corvettedex, Dec 15, 2020
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  10. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    DeX buster wasn't a Colby dog.
     
    ben brockton, Dec 15, 2020
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  11. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    According to who ? I can name folks that were there who are still alive, but want because of omitting anyone.
     
    corvettedex, Dec 16, 2020
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  12. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    This is about one of The Greatest Breeder's that ever lived. The conventional Colby dog of today has been unkempt in regard to what it once was. But there is a hidden counterpoint to that fact.
    Remember that the top side of a popular dog, Jeep, was Colby. They were dogs akin and from a Mr. Gardiner (pronounced Gar dee nay) in Canada. There were also huge amounts of dogs on the Carver yard, yet they were not accounted for in how he wrote them up as being bred. He got many dogs from the likes of E. Crenshaw, Shivar, Loposay, Hinajosa of Mexico and Dr. Damm, also of Mexico.
    We seem to lean on and rest upon the fraud we see and accept it. Yet given these facts, there is another reality to how much Colby is really out there.
    Before anyone jumps funny, I have personally heard Maurice talk about these things. Then he would laugh. All a game to him. Gamesmanship. He just flatly didn't give a damn if you knew or didn't know.
    Some of you have heard the old expression: "A dog just isn't a real dog unless it has some Colby in it." Guess who said that. Maurice Carver.
    He housed Crenshaw's Snow, Stu Fowler and many others on his yard for many years. What? You don't see them on breedings? He never bred such dogs? Please. Stompanato, Art's Missy and many other dogs of renown had much hidden Colby in them.
    Some one pointed out that the conventionally seen Colby dog of today isn't doing much. Whichever poster made that comment is correct for the most part. But.....It doesn't take away the hidden reality that there is much more of it in dogs today than will ever meet the eye. And many of THOSE dogs ARE doing something.
     
    corvettedex, Dec 16, 2020
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  13. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Man dex if all this talk is true u mentioned dogs that's in a dogs ped several times Art's missy and Stompanato in her 4th generation....she's a carver dog....and bout to be on the yard....I was already excited bout her now...so guess she a colby/carver dog say the less
     
    Sleep, Dec 16, 2020
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  14. Soze the killer

    Soze the killer CH Dog

    Nice feed back slim.thanks.i appreciate the history lesson:-B

    So we saying here regardless of how red boy or jocko are bred in there immediate generations,there both from the same generic pool,or there about?

    From just reading back threw all this,what you say makes sense of this riddle.

    But if they both from the same stock,then that means we don’t know how the two of them are actually bred?~X(

    And this is a fun topic?

    Think it’s easier to work out the history man kind LOL.
     
    Soze the killer, Dec 16, 2020
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  15. Soze the killer

    Soze the killer CH Dog

    Thank for the history red nose thing Dex:-B
    Much appreciated.
     
    Soze the killer, Dec 16, 2020
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  16. stickler

    stickler Banned

    stickler, Dec 16, 2020
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  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Great read/great throw back thread.

    I don't remember this thread. Nice info.

    I don't throw names around that much, and usually they are long since passed if I do. But I have a Porter story that is funny, it will confirm the above thread and it will cross some of the political correctness lines of today, well hell, it will cross all of them.

    I will make a call today and get 'permission' to throw a name out there and repeat a story.

    Way funny. Way offensive.

    S
     
    slim12, Dec 16, 2020
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  18. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Patsy, floyd, Raul and willie folks that actually had firsthand experience with the bullyson/ art farmers missy dogs. Not hearsay R.smith was also here just last month posting about it who also had firsthand experience. When I was putting together my bullyson/ art farmers missy dogs no corner was cut Wylie reaching out to the folks who had the stock to begin with.
     
    ben brockton, Dec 16, 2020
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  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I can't use the actual names. Mostly because the guy is older, been out of the dogs since the 90's and leads a Christina life now. Talking to him now is not the same as talking to him/listening to him in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. He got popped a couple of times for dogs many years ago, paid a heavy price both time and the second left him estranged from family members to this day. He has some regrets. He does not blame the dogs but more so his attraction to the dogs.

    It was the mid to late 70's. As a backdrop that is the rural south and let's say a man's 'word' meant something back then but his 'words' did not carry the weight they do today, or maybe it did.

    There was prominent dog going that night of Red Boy fame by a not so popular guy. The dog was not in particularly good shape but he would scratch. He was having his ass handed to him by a really hard mouthed Eli/Carver bred dog that eventually wound up on the yard of a well known breeder in NC, still breeding today. The Eli dog was biting him down and pulling ahead but the handler of the Red Boy dog made some slick handles and the scratches continued. The Eli dog made just as many scratches but he had not endured what that Red Boy dog had put on him.

    On the 11th or 12th scratch the Red Boy dog made a chin scraping and chest bouncing scratch into death itself.

    The guy that turned me onto dogs was obnoxious and foul mouthed and said a lot of things that made a lot of people not like him. They respected his dogs, and respected the fact he owned those dogs, but had little respect for him. He dropped the GD and N word on the regular, with no regard to who was within earshot. Many said because of his mouth it was a thousand wonders he lived.

    And forgive me for the following.......After that Red Boy dog made that last scratch he said out loud for every one to hear, "I'd suck a 10 inch Nigger dick to own a Red Boy dog like that". And the guy who owned that Red Boy dog said, "Why would you be so picky about color and size?" Winked at him and blew him a kiss.

    Things got ugly from there as the pushing and shoving led to guns being drawn and nearly a shooting.

    I had not replayed that story in my head for a very long time.

    This is what the dog do to you. They fill your head with all kinds of useless shit that takes the place where useful shit could be stored.

    S
     
    slim12, Dec 16, 2020
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  20. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog


    No....

    What the actual author of that copied post was saying is, 50 years ago a pimp, murderer, swindler, paper hanger, cheat(and best breeder ever) said "a bulldog isnt a bulldog without a small dose of colby"... fast forward 1/2 century... MAYBE SOME of a liars dog may have had colby CROSSES 50+ years ago...

    Hes saying colby dogs now ARE NOT IN THE WOODS CATCHING HOGS AND HAVENT BEEN FOREVER, but 50+years later there may be TINY touch of colby from paper hanging.

    It was a polite backhand(knowing the man who wrote it) to colby fans. Yes a tiny bit is or may be there there but its not anywhers what they attempt to make it(preforming or % wise) it has been taken WAY put ofcontext to co-sign fantasizes about colby dogs performing or being a huge part of todays performing dogs.


    The missy, stampanado twist is that carver said he didnt breed them much if at all YET we know better so MAYBE he threw some colby in 50+ years ago based off 1 quote from a WORLD RENOWNED BULLSHITER
     
    Holocaust, Dec 16, 2020
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