Dogmen Conversations about Man-Biters and Man-Eaters

Thier are dogmen that has kept this type since the beginning.Thier are men that know how to keep this type of dog and are very responsible.As I have already said this hasn't just started

 

Exactly Treez,I would guess about 95 percent of attacks are from "Bully Type" breeds..Lets be serious now , dogmen keep thier dogs contained so it ain't like we got gamedogs roaming the dam streets attacking folks.

 

Definitely correct on that

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Very true. You can't really go by the bite statistics because they lump many breeds into the Pit Bull catagory. The stats are flawed because of this. It's not normally the people who keep Gamebred dogs that their dogs are getting out and biting people it's the people naus was refering to in his previous post on the previous page of this thread. I couldn't imagine one of my dogs getting loose from my yard. Anything with Fur, feathers or scales is in serious danger. People however would not be. It's those asshole types that let their dog right out the front door, no leash no tie no fencing that are the problem when it comes to dog bites. I'm all for holding owners responsible for the animal in their care being contained properly.

 

I hate in those statistics where they say pit Bulls account for only 4% of the dogs in America but 60% of all dog bites. That's not true, maybe registered APBT account for 4% of dogs in America but they lump any mutt and all the other breeds into the Pit Bull category when it bites. You just have to look at the nearly 1 million "Pit Bulls" put to sleep in rescues and check how full all rescues around the country are with "pit bull" types to know how many of these dogs there are out there.

America doesn't have an APBT problem, it has a problem with bull breed mutts from backyard breeders.

Saiy that mastiff you mention is probably a fila brasileiro considered to have the most serious temperament of the mastiffs or any dog. It might have been an Ovcharka from that old video where the woman breeder encourages the puppies to bite to check their temperament.


Caucasian mountain dog - YouTube

 

Who the fuck would put their infant baby in reach of some strange dog like that. SMH. People sure are dumb as shit these days. Thats a very large dog the CMD. I never seen one in real life just photos. They the size of damn lions. :lol:

 

I also don't agree with that 4% figure either. I see more APBT type dogs than any other breed every single day. Sounds like smear statistics trying to show there is only a small amount of the dogs out there yet 60% of bites involve them. AKC puts out every year in most major new papers the top 40 breeds most likely to bite. The APBT has never made the list in the over 20 years they been publishing those stats. Sounds like dogbite.orgs stats.

 

No wait wait, It was more a what if question. Sentiments now are that the dogs they (Humane Society&co) seize are people friendly and just need some love. At least that's what their videos try to illustrate. Now the what if, what if they seize dogs that aren't? Wouldn't that be some kind of finishing blow?

To be clear, I don't think gamebred dogs are responsible.


About the so called stats, here are some reason reasons you shouldn't pay attention to them:
- Lack of bite reports
- No total population
- No share population
- Generalized identification
- Ranking so called breed "types" versus individual breeds
- Don't capture envirronment
- Don't capture breeding
- Hearsay
- Media bias
-...
In other words, scientific garbage.

 

Hard to argue with that. I agree. Stats will always point towards what the person conducting them want them to point to. I never pay any of those statistics any attention other then to try and debunk them as myth.

 

I love dogmen for all the knowledge they have on gamedogs and shold be the only ever be allowed to own the dogs they know everything from medical care to behavior to conditiong housing these pet owners who got the dog for chrsitmas and byb are the super screw ups breeding anything and no knowledge of anything cauing the problems. BLAME THE DEED NOT THE BREED. Lets judge the whole crew because the actions of a few. Guys you know how to keep manbiters good dont give em to anybody else cause they might end up in the wrong hands. You might be a whiz at what you do but thats you.

 

Agree very very stupid and irresponsible letting a baby near a dog like that.
One of the mods on Pit Bull chat Seven sins has some sort of central asian Shepard not sure which of the Ovcharka's it is.

You're right about those stats being from dogs bite, lol.

Pit Bull Myths - Dangerous Dogs - DogsBite.org

Lot's of garbage on that link.

 

I got it wrong about the 4% apparently they are saying 6% of dogs in America are Pit Bulls.

How do they explain all the dogs, surely alone the Pit Bulls in rescue and being euthanised accounts for more than 6% alone.

I like the terrierman blog lots of interesting articles but I imagine most peole here don't agree with a lot of his articles on Pit Bulls.

Terrierman's Daily Dose: One Million Dead Pit Bulls

 

fila brasileiro. Bred to guard and hunt slaves. At the shows it's a GOOD sign when the dog won't let the judge in his mouth to see his teeth...

 

Another man biter South Paw Kennels Kyleione taken from sporting dog journal.

 

meh. once that reported a pit bull attack. it was clearly a longer haired lab cross. then there were a slew of mutts which didn't even look bully. thanks to assholes like the huffing ton post, they assume everything is a pit bull.



this american bully attack
American Bully: Menacing or misunderstood?

was said to be a pit bull at first
After fatal attack, experts say dog owners should know warning signs

and even after, whilst the bully community scurried to remain unknown.
Houma 'pit bull' may have been inbred and born from an aggressive line | NOLA.com

 

No bulldog had ever killed in the UK prior to the dda (bsl) becoming law in 91. Other breeds had killed, but only the bulldog was banned. The other banned breeds weren't even in the UK at that time, except for one tosa pup.

 

If you've had dogs of any type long enough you know some dogs like people some do not. I have talked to a few gentlemen who stated long ago dogs were really only culled if they were too crazy to be pitted, not if they just bit someone or were mouthy as the dogs were not kept as a socialized pets but as a working tool. I think the Bullyson story, Zebo and the other well known biters already listed show this to be more true than not. However back then these dogs were mostly only going to fanciers who knew how to deal with them and were not trying to make them a house pet, or neighborhood pal to children. Some even wanted a dog a bit nippy as it discouraged anyone messing with it at the wash, or in the pit some even spread rumors of dogs being aggressive to people if they pounded the floor or screamed in the pit to discourage the practices. Each bite is its own set of circumstances and should be evaluated on a case by case basis not by breed or bloodline. I have been around a few dogs that were super friendly but when in a keep due to diet changes and work they would/could get quite edgy, and might if provoked or bothered give you a nip depending..I have seen/been around many bulldogs in my life and have only been around 2 that were down right scary and would have probably killed someone if given the chance(maneaters), but the owners knew it and took proper precautions, was not me so not my business. Big difference between a biter and a man eater JMO--for most it comes down to what the dog is, sometimes other qualities outweigh the HA, not for all, and not all the time. I also think that by portraying the breed as something almost other wordly(as far as HA goes) people get lulled into a sense of false security. I don't just walk up to ANY strange dog and attempt to pet it as if it were mine own or familiar to me and I to them, just like when handed a firearm I always make sure it is unloaded "myself" before handling it no matter whom handed it to me. All that said these dogs can be some of the most human friendly dogs you might come across. However as in most cases, in life there are no absolutes so, do what you must to get home safe.

 

Great post, full of common sense.