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Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Dogman_M, Apr 19, 2016.

  1. http://oweps.weebly.com/owe-history.html Here is an interesting site that talks about the Old White English. These aficionados claim that this breed is a descendant of the old Spanish Mastiffs similar to the modern day Spanish Alano. Used mainly as a livestock guardian on the farms throughout the south.
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Its possible. Anything is possible. I had Fila Brasileiros. Many say they did not come to the US until the 1960's/70's by a guy named Shavers. They were guardians, herders and trackers of slaves in the remote areas of Brazil/South America. They are fiercely defensive. Like a lot of dogs they have been turned to show dogs, in turn increase in weight and a lessened ability/desire to work.

    In Uncle Tom's Cabin there are references to 'hounds that would track and ravage'. No other hound type dog will track and ravage. Some believe the Filas came here long ago. I was sent some pictures of hog hunting with some Florida Cracker curs. There was one older dog who had been retired and was a stud dog. In retirement he put on a few pounds. He had a lot of resemblance to the Fila. I sent his picture to a "Fila Expert" and she recognized the line as some dogs imported from Brazil.

    Bulldogs no different. All of them were dogs before they were breeds. Breeds came about by selective breeding for traits, from color to size to ability to anything.

    The herding breeds the same. Some old sheep herder was sitting on a rock thinking no way in hell one of these flea biscuits would give his life to defend our country, find dope, sniff bombs or ride in a patrol car. Beagles and Labs the same. By using their original abilities and redirecting those abilities the dogs now have new jobs. Thru selective breeding the German Shepherd and Malinois are now heavier more stout dogs than their ancestors who roamed the plains chasing sheep or goats.

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  3. I've seen only one real working Fila in person and I was very impressed by this dog. Was extremely intelligent and protective.
     
  4. PlugUgly

    PlugUgly Big Dog

    "http://oweps.weebly.com/owe-history.html Here is an interesting site that talks about the Old White English. These aficionados claim that this breed is a descendant of the old Spanish Mastiffs similar to the modern day Spanish Alano. Used mainly as a livestock guardian on the farms throughout the south."

    I've read some of their thoughts on these dogs. For me there seems to be large gaps in their history and a lot of assumptions. Their dogs may very well act how they describe, it's just when the claim of purity is made it throws up red flags, from anyone regarding an old breed of dog.
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Out of the 10 or so I had I only had one that had true working ability.

    I did a herding instinct trial at a show and she shot across and caught a goat like a bulldog. I tried her in a hog pen and she caught. She did it like a pro.

    She was about 115-120lbs. Moved like a small dog. I had her just about broke to trailing shot deer. She was a great family dog.

    Her faults. She failed the Fila temperament test. She would defend at my house but was not overly aggressive at the show. She had a number of flaws in appearance, two were disqualifiers for the show world. She was a great dog but not a good Fila.

    Most of the Filas are too defensively driven. They will defend their home and their family like none other. They far surpass any dog I have ever worked with in home/family security all the way to the point they are a true liability. Invite people over and they have to be locked up, securely. Your team scores and your buddy gives you a high five....that innocent hand slap will result in a mauling. They do not differentiate.

    This is because there are no jobs left for a dog that herds, protects and track slaves. The defensive/territorial trait was emphasized in selection and more damaging was the pursuit of outward appearances in every breeding. Working ability faded til now the ones that will work are throwbacks and will not be selected going forward.

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  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    In the Filas purity is a seller. There are two organizations, CAFIB and CBKC/everyone else. One claims purity the other accepts certain dogs.

    Both fail to create/perpetuate working dogs, only show dogs. A dog that looks exceptional but would not/could not work his way out of a wet paper bag will be the new fad and his puppies will command high dollar. The lack of ability perpetuates further and further away from their working heritage.

    It happens to just about all the working dogs who evolve to show dogs.

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  7. Very true. Not to mention that most farmers don't keep track of breeding records like game dog people to. Most are just scatter bred working farm dogs.
     
  8. Wow that's impressive! Sounds like a dog I'd want for a large ranch home when I retire. That's a very low stat for a Fila though, 1 out of 10? They really are just breeding for show now I guess.
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The first Filas I ever saw were two dog that were used to catch in Texas. I had never seen a big dog move like that and those two looked like someone went on their head with a weed eater. Tons of wars to their credit. I wanted one. He told me how they were bred and where they came from. I contacted that breeder and the female had been recently sold. I tracked that female down and bought my female off of her.

    The working to inability to work is indeed very low ratio. The problem is that when they pass the temperament test they are considered a working dog. Simply not true.

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  10. When I deployed to Afghanistan, I met many Pashtun sheepherders and with them they had what they call the "Kuchi". It's a regional version of the Central Asian Shepherd. A very successful protector of livestock and family. Those Pashtuns fight their dogs as well
     
  11. http://californiacatchers.com/index.asp?ID=38 This guy uses large mastiff breeds to catch hogs and predator control
     
  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    My female Fila looked similar to the Boerbol in the picture. Same apricot color. She had a 'fila' head but with a very high ear set. She had a sway back but she had a body really similar to the Dogo. Really muscular and masculine for a female. She really did not fit into any one breed, she was basically just a good dog.

    I bred her twice and she did not throw herself either time. 12 pups one time, 8 the next and not one worth two squirts of piss as working dogs.

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  13. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    Are Filas the same breed that was called Cuban Bloodhounds in the 1800s,,,,?
     
  14. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not sure about that. These dogs were bred and originated from the South America. They were herders, catch dogs, protectors and trackers....farm dogs if you will.

    Like most working dogs the world changed and left them behind. They basically became unemployed/unemployable. People then redirected their skills and abilities to other more useful jobs if the dogs were lucky. Sadly most evolved to show dogs.
    A slippery slope to say the least.

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  15. JimAm*dam

    JimAm*dam Pup

    Maybe you found this interesting read about the Cuban Bloodhounds
    http://dbodcubanbloodhound.blogspot.nl
     
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  16. JimAm*dam

    JimAm*dam Pup

    This is also the story about the CimarrĂ³n Uruguayo:

    http://www.carealotpets.com/dog-breeds-ukc-cimarronuruguayo.aspx
     
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  17. Strongest dogs to ever exist which are also top fighting dogs
    1. Pitbull
    2. Tosa inu
    3. Bull terrier (Both old type and modern)
    4. Bully kutta
    5. Gull terr(Kohati gull terr or gull terrier also known as pakistani bull terrier)
    6. Gull dong
    7. Dogo argentino
    8. Irish wolfhound
    9. Bandog
    10. Presa canario
    I made this after so much studying about different breeds.
    The first 6 breeds in this list are capable of defeating african lion,the first three are most capable and can defeat lion more times then lion can defeat these breeds,put best of these top 3 breeds dogs and you have a defeated lion.
     
  18. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    But only the American Pit Bull Terrier can defeat the hippopotamus, crocodile, and rhinoceros.
     
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  19. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog



    thats some dog that can defeat a African Lion ,,,lol...and Irish wolfhounds are a big dangling made up show dog , good for nothing and are only big not strong for their size,
     
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