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Cull no cull

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by jstevens, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    Was talking with a older fairly well known dogman yesterday. He started tell me a story about a famous dog who was being looked at for the first time at 2 1/2. Said this dog wouldn’t come out of his corner but would flat out brawl upon being contacted. I ask why would they keep him after seeing that? His reply was “that’s why it’s called schooling” How many of you agree with that assessment and why if you don’t mind.
     
  2. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I believe every owner should raise and school their dogs whatever way they see fit.. Their yard, their dogs, their choice and nobody else's business what they do! JMO
     
  3. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    A good friend of mine had a daughter off Chambers Paz Jr. She never scratched, never left her corner and would just stand there when released looking at him like what now? The kicker was, she had insane mouth. When the other corner released the hog she made more than a few reconsider coming back across. Devistating mouth piece but once seperated she would not engage the hog unless hit first. Now if I had a large yard I myself would probably keep her since I'd have the room to go through all her offsprring personally. We knew the family of dogs behind her well and I probably would have taken a chance on her being able to produce or even sit on her a little longer to see if anything changed in her 6 months to a year later. Small yards don't really have that luxury so she'd a culled here. She got culled either way since my friend didn't have that kind of space either to risk the time possibly wasted on her when he has a yard of dogs bred similar to her that would cross over. It's really IMO up to the person standing over the dog and what kind of chances are they ok with taking in the long run. Also how well do you know the family behind said dog. That makes a big difference too. Performance and production are in total different lanes from each other but it's still a risk. One that I probably wouldn't take myself with a small yard but would definitely consider if I had a large yard.
    If that makes any sense. Lol.
     
  4. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Its one thing to do it the first time out but after that there really should be no hesitation to cross. Can't school a dog that won't come out its corner.
     
  5. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Well said AGK.. Makes sense!
     
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  6. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    That was my reply AGK. I seen one do this before but he was a lot younger than 2 1/2. Turned out nice tho.
     
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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I had a female bred down out of the Snooty/Molly Bee/Two Eyes dogs that was really similar. She never made the first step out of the corner and would do nothing until engaged. From there she was simply devastating. One of the badder females I have seen.

    We even tried to face them from a couple feet away and she could not be provoked. She showed a ton of finish, tail up wagging, just would not scratch.

    It happens. And whoever feeds that dog gets to make that call.

    S
     
  8. kiwidogman

    kiwidogman Top Dog

    I think it’s worth adding that if you do decide to breed a dog like this there’s every chance you’ll end up with a bunch more dogs that have this trait, and the ones that don’t still carry those genes.
     
  9. Holocaust

    Holocaust Match dog

    Rare but its been seen. Not a fan. Not a keeper. But that's just me
     
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  10. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Nope
     
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  11. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    True.

    But there is and can be trade-offs. Breeding good traits should in turn throw good traits. But I know for a fact way sorrier dogs than the dogs mentioned have been bred and thrown superstars.

    None of us would be here talking about certain dogs if someone had not thought outside the box going against what is seen as the norm, or even simply bred shitty dogs with great peds for profit.

    No one owns dogs that have not been the result of a cur breeding, or a sub par dog with a great pedigree being bred.

    It depends how far one would want to go back, and how honest that old timer would be after all these years.

    I never bred my female from above but I often thought about it, especially seeing what was considered 'good dogs' in the box and those 'good dogs' did not measure up to what I had seen in her.

    Breeding a pure bitch like this would give me pause but a three/four way cross I would think it would be better chances in burying the traits so it did not pop up.

    In my bitch it was Snooty/Molly Bee/Two Eyes. We seen a lot of cold dogs and the percentages of game dogs were not all that high in those Snooty/Molly Bee dogs. I would think I could have bred her back to a Two Eyes dog and got hard scratching game dogs.

    S



     
  12. jstevens

    jstevens Big Dog

    The dog in question is a famous dog. I won’t name him due to the fact I’ve never heard it before, and to many of the all time greats have these unproven stories behind them. But if true...a whole lot of folks are thankful he was given another chance
     
  13. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

  14. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

  15. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    I would have given him another chance or 2 if he showed no sign of leaving. Especially if he was whippin ass. Not GOING is a bad sign, but not as bad as looking to leave imo. By 3 1/2 he better have had his shit together. “I’m fair but I’m firm” greatest referee in ANY SPORT, Judge Mills Lane!!
     
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  16. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    True.

    Amazing to see what a guy of his stature could do. He was in absolute control regardless of the size of the combatants.

    S
     
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  17. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I always liked Arthur Mercante! Maybe he got fighters to behave coz they thought he was a nice big guy, but Mills Lane? I think they were just terrified of him haha!
     
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  18. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    Look at the fire in those eyes!! The man was 7’5 340lbs in that ring!!
     
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  19. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Now if you name a dog 'Mills Lane' before I do, then I'll sue for copyright coz it was my idea first haha! :-B
     
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  20. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

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