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Clemmons Line

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by dwd58, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. Kimo615

    Kimo615 Banned

    Is that Cottons bullet and Crenshaws Cry baby that your talking about? If I created the Eli family and another man got credit I would step up and say something though. Hard to know the truth about all this really.
     
  2. Its langhmas cotton or mayfields cotton x evelyn starts crybaby for the eli ped and dibo was born in march 1951 , and someone did step up and say something ,and other men have told the story of crybaby nursing her pups which floyd said had died,and then his yard of black dogs began and he turns up with eli at pitside .
     
  3. Kimo615

    Kimo615 Banned

    Seems I read that story somewhere...does anybody know where I could find it? I know I read it...just not sure where.
     
  4. capo

    capo Big Dog

    Quick question - does that even matter in today's time? People always questioning what they did back then like it affects your dogs today. Let it die like the stories and the dogs with it did years ago.
     
  5. capo

    capo Big Dog

    How about y'all breed some bulldogs and get off the oldtimers nuts and start a line that produces bulldogs with high percents and keep it moving instead of being here to read stories off that he say she say BS
     
  6. Well i think if the eli ped and blind billy ped is fake , then dont you think its right to give the men responsible for the real peds and dogs that created floyds true foundation to get the credit ?
     
  7. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    it comes down to who do you believe? Floyd B or Don M.
     
  8. capo

    capo Big Dog

    What your trying to find out doesn't matter. 50+ years ago, its History, its not like its going to change anything done yesterday, today or tomorrow!
     
  9. It may not change anything today ,but like i said , dont you think the true ped and men behind it should be given credit and not the man who faked peds to suit his needs? i know i do .
     
  10. Well i consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, and after reading and researching the stories about both eli and blind billy , i think that when you add up evidence as it is , then for me mayfield and others who knew better are the ones i tend to believe, and dont forget that dibo was born in march of 1951 and tudor only got the dog in 1954 and didnt not breed him immediatly , and floyd has told that he got blind billy from earl in 1953 as a one year old dog , so that would mean dibo was bred in 1952 when tudor never even had him on his yard ,and dibo had not been bred yet, so that would be some miracle now wouldnt it?Hell even if tudor got dibo in say november of 1953 it doesnt add up ,and im being generous with the 1953 date .Bottom line is , if you then start to realise that it looks like floyd may not be telling the truth about eli and blind billy , then it stands to reason that someone must be lying and to me it looks like floyd by a long margin.It wasnt the first time nor the last that something like that has taken place in the game , and it continues to this day with other dogs and breeders , but like any injustice ,if it can be put right it should be regardless of whether you liked a man or not .
     
  11. capo

    capo Big Dog

    You will not change the fact that Floyd bred good dogs off of what he had whether the people you want to get credit or not does, what you trying to prove is bullshit because, it doesn't matter yesterday today or tomorrow! This has been said a thousand times already there's stories on it and all, you wont and will not make a difference no matter how intelligent you want to be or think you are. Being intelligent would be worrying about what you have, breeding what you have if you will and making a solid line off of your own stock. What another man did 50+ yrs ago doesn't matter today, you wont change that!
     
  12. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Jack I see your point and its a arguement that has been argues on this very forum more than once..And it will always be argued and it will never be resolved.If Floyd has lied about I dont think he is going to all the sudden change his story..I am not saying the man did lie either .
     
  13. Capo your right it doesnt change whats going on today , and yes floyd did breed good dogs form those dogs , but then it would have been hard not to have bred good dogs from those dogs .The point is that instead of floyd getting the credit for it all , maybe if the truth came out then the credit for at least his real foundation would go to the men who deserve it thats all, i would think all of us would want that
     
  14. I agree floyd will never change his story , and the funny thing is i just got off the phone with a firend of floyds , who told me he never gets a striaght answer from him lol and thats a freind of his talking.But that aside theres a moral to this , and that is when you get caught in a lie , own up , cos otherwise you end up telling more lies to cover up the one before , and this is what i belive is the case here and like many others , cos no man likes being called a liar even if its true , its called ego ,and the penetetiarys are full of truthfull men lol .
     
  15. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Floyd dogs still kick in ass where them dm dogs lol glad he got them from dm he did right with them .. they would have been paper pure bred by dm and prob fell off by now like the rest of the dm stuff .....and I don't condone the stealing and lieing just think Floyd build a dynasty off that stuff now would dm have done the same ....

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  16. Well preme you must be one of the younger dogmen around , and maybe you forget that don bred a family of dogs around nigger and considering the men who benfited from it including himself and many dogmen around the usa i think you calling don a paper breeder is a bit ridculous.By the way if eli and blind billy are not bred as papered by floyd then floyd is taking credit for another mans or mens breeding and claiming it as his own ,which would make his DYNASTY as you put it more down to him knowing his dogs of the time wernt as good so lets get the praise to the man who deserves it ,whehter you like dm or not.By the way this is more about earl tudor as don didnt bred crybaby or cotton , and its more about the truth ,and if you dont know floyd never bred maverick he got the dog as an older dog from kemmer who was keeping dons dogs and infact was one of many who had deals with mayfield with his dogs.Lets take a look at this DYNASTY you talk about , well look like that DYNASTY again is more aobut floyd being clever enough to know whos blood to use to make his yard better , and if you doubt the mavercik story youd be wrong, so to me floyds dynasty is more to do with mayfield than floyd.Yes he had to breed them after those points in time when he aquired the blood , but once he had thsoe dogs and blood on his yard a blind man could have bred good dogs , so i dont think floyd should take all the glory cos he shouldnt , but he should be given credit forknowing where the important blood was ,and don had the tightest of earl blood and he knew it , so hats off to him for that, its a shame that in 2012 he still hasnt done the right thing and told the truth, but then that would mean he was a lair now wouldnt it , and as i said , no one likes being know as a lair do they .
     
  17. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Yup jumping jack after crybaby its floyds dynasty so where are those line bred winning dm dogs jack
     
  18. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Jack I'm glad you have success with dm stuff ! And for maverick again thank god floyd got him to maverick produce quiet well under floyds program ... Guess im young in dogs got my first in 87. I like the floyd/ carver stuff myself ......
     
  19. Preme jsut ask around texas im sure you will find a few dogmen who know , and to me all i feel is correct is that the truth should come out, so then people like you would stop giving credit to the wrong man, cos if you dont understand what i said , then ill try again , floyd may have bred his family from the dogs down from eli , but thsoe dogs were bred by dm and so was mavercik , and if floyds yard is his dynasty , then the least he should do is tell the truth , then maybe people would look at eli and more recently mavercik and then take another look at dm and what he was saying back in the day and maybe you might realise who was telling the truth and who was not , so lets not make this aobut floyd and don lets make it aobut truth and lies, whcih happen to incl,ude don and floyd and maybe then the haters on boht sides will find a common ground about this subject.
     
  20. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Ok jj ...... Don was no saint either buddy he had his shady dealings ! But like i said id go to floyd or mc for my stock if i had a choice of the three ......... Don s blood has faded in the sands of time .... But im sure theres a few keeping the mayfield stuff pure as can be and there happy ... And if floyd says yeah i kept the cry baby litter 40 yrs later wats that do now but please the don followers ... Me i could careless not my bussiness its between them to men .... I would have culled seomeones whole yard stealing off me ... Like i said i dont condone stealing or paper hanging ... Jj best wishes to you this is just my opinion !
     

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