Clemmons Line

Found this the other day:

This story is based on half-facts, half-truths and is wishful thinking in a certain direction that could be close to the truth, but is by no means the whole truth. It is just a hint for the readers to think in a certain direction when breeding bulldogs and why some of the legendary old-timers are still on the top of the mountain after all these decades of breeding their family, because they cary a big hidden secret about the truth of one of the greatest clicks in history to produce awsome bulldogs. Some time ago I was studying the roots and backgrouwnd off my bulldogs again and of other major bulldogs from the past with the help of pedigrees on line. It went pretty good and fast I came across the Eli/Boudreaux dogs and especially the Eli dog himself and the dogs before him. To my surprise I saw that he came from light coloured dogs who where red bred and/or white buckskin and white brindle dogs traits from the Colby bloodline The Eli family turned from these colors black almost overnight,Eli is he's heavy Dibo inbred bred and since Dibo was one of,"" if"" not the most important producer of his days it kinda looked odd that the Eli family turnd black overnight. One day while talking to my friend's in Texas, , we started to talk about the various Eli familys and stuff and my friend told me (who was close with Jerry Clemmends for some time and who owned the Niggertoby dog for some time, that he bought off Clemmends) that Clemmends and one of the less known but one of the best Eli breeder of the past, J.D. Elliot, had said to him "If you ever breed these dogs good and tight and a red one comes along, keep that one, as it most certainly will turn out good and you need him to breed back into your black family stock". My friend never understood why and he told me that they never told him why. He took me to Jerry Clemmends place who I met and his very nice wife. He gave us a yard tour and showed us his famous Six Bits dog ,and some others and youngsters. He didn't have a lot of dogs around, about 12 or so, but it was educational and very nice to meet up with this old-timer and the man who bred Bullyson, Eli Jnr and Brendy. A couple of days later I was picked up by another friend off mine from the Bulldog Ranch. He took me up to Louisiana and we visited Floyd Boudreaux. I was impressed and sirprised to some extent by the same looks his bulldogs had as our dogs, and what I liked the most was that 90% of them were all black. He had a couple of red rednosed dogs and you could see that they were old-time stuff like the Wallace dogs were looking, and sure enough that stuff when back to that old stuff. he had one or 2 lighter coloured dogs as well. Now I knew that his dogs were all tight bred, but looked so good , something that didn't hit me right then. We had a lovely day and me and my wife and friend and Mr Boudreaux had dinner at a sea food restaurant cajun style!!. When I got back to my friends place a couple of days later I told him that these Boudreaux dogs looked too good compared with there inbred peds and that I found it odd that these 2 men after so many years in the game, still were and are the best Eli breeders around. I couldn't help thinking about an interview with Danny Burton who once said ,that Earl Tudor loved the ""Henry"" dogs the best and that they were big headed black dogs with reddish eyes and they were crazy to fight and nobody knew where they came from???? I suddenly realised that it could be that Earl Tudor kept 2 familys registered under ONE name which is known as the Dibo family ,so he could have these Henry dogs registered as Dibo dogs but infact they were a secret family, who when bred together made one hell of a click. He also said to danny Burton when he was his studend the first thing you need to learn as a dogman is how to cheat!!!!!! Ain't it funny that these Boudreaux bred dogs turned black overnight?? and are bred so tightly that they actually would not be able to function. Ain't it funny that the red ones that popped up should be used to be bred in. Why was Carvers Black Widow stolen back by Tudor, bred to his (Dibo) Spike dog 2 times and destroyed. Why was the Ni gger dog, Earls favourite dog, with his favourite pedigree?? In them days he had the same pedigree as many other dogs around Earl's group. There was one difference and that was that Ni gger was black!!. All of a sudden, in a time span of not that many years apart, these great known ace dogs in the likes of Eli Jnr, Bullyson, Zebo, Pit General, Alligator, and so on, popt up. It sure is funny that most of these lines clicked very well together and/or more important clicked with the same outcross families who YES WERE HEAVY DIBO BRED, like Snooty blood or Boomerang blood. Some of us remember the Eli(Henry) x Snooty (Dibo) crosses of yesterday, together with the Zebo(Henry) x Snooty(Dibo) crosses and, the Alligator (Henry) x Snooty (Dibo) crosses or the Zebo x Eli breedings or Alligator x Eli breedings, Bullyson (Henry) x Arts Missy (Dibo) or the Eli x Boomerang crosses. Most of these legendary dogs where a product of Henry x Dibo cross registered under one name as Dibo dogs, but in fact they where battle crosses which could be the reason them pure bred Eli dogs are still looking so good and perform good!!!!, while on paper are bred awfully tight, too tight if you ask me. Don Malony had them pure Dibo dogs, the best one he probably ever had was the Toot(sire of Tombstone) dog who was double bred Tudor's Ch. Spike. Toot was like his Dibo ancestors, a real Dibo dog, light coloured red dog like Dibo and Tudor's Ch. Jeff. what about Tudor's Ch. White Rock and so on. Where did the black colours in Eli and the Ni ger and Zebo bloodlines came from?? Why was Black Widow stolen? Why did they steal the old Eli dog? Why did Zebo come out of the same part of the country where they knew Eli went to. Why dose he have a reversed Henry pedigree, why do they say he's a son of Eli? Why was Pit General stolen? Why? Why? Why? Too many coincidences surround the legendary black aces of the past. Last but not least, the conning and stealing probably started with Tudor's sins. Ni gger was his favourite dog in colour and pedigree but he later sold him because he wasn't a hard mouthed ability dog , he was NOT a cur in contrary what a lot of people think. This rumour was spred by Don Maloney who wassend present at the time of Ni.ggers oil chek. only with Tudor and Burton and mayfield. Maloney didn't like Tudor taking a liking in Burton. He named his son Earl, Maloney got the Dibo dogs and Burton the ni.gger (Henry blood) witch produced Pit General. Another ace dog who is believed to be a Henry/Dibo cross is Gr.Ch. Art. His daddy being Eli Jnr and his mommy the Java bitch, a red Carvers Pistol bred dog with some Miss Spike and Coton Bullit in there. Last but not least, bloodlines built around dogs like Chinaman whose daddy came out of Eli Jnr (Henry) x Curtis' Sugar (Dibo) and as mentiond before Gr.Ch. Art out of Eli Jnr x sister of Sugar called Java. The the Nelis (Henry) x Tug (Dibo) or Spike (Henry) x Tug (Dibo) crosses, .produced dogs who where a cut above the rest Tug being Tombstone/Toot/Carvers Pistol/Miss Spike, bred out of mainly pure dibo bred red dogs, while Nelis /Spike are Henry black bred through Alligator x Eli blood. A coincidence? I dont think so! I can go on and on, but it would be nice for the readers to do some pedigree researching and digging them selves and seek out the hidden secrets used for 30 or so years to breed outstanding dogs. Like I said it's half-truth, half-fiction and wishful thinking, but I'm sure the truth is up there with it ...

 

I posted the above because that is one of the few line quotes I have found from J.D. Elliot. I have seen the Clemmons Yard video on youtube, and I Know Clemmons was a chicken man that got into dogs and now is out, but other than that, very little is written about him and even less on his friend J.D. Elliot. They produced some great ones that are still producing and they dont get enough credit for this in my opinion. Like to see someone who knew the men behind the dogs give us a little more insite to these 2 guys for what they have accomplished with out having a huge amount of dogs on the ground at one time.

 

Good story there. I'm from the lone star state I have heard and had these dogs first hand. It's a lot of fellow dog man out there that is preserving the boodline and dogs the right way. Just bred to this dog to my Vise Grip's gyp.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.phb?name=public&file=printpedigree&dog_id363600

 

How about you call the man himself? That would be smart, and would give you the info you need to know instead of online opinions!

 

don mayfield is (WAS) ghe only one ..who have answerd for years ...the same qeustions
on and on . in public and for some years on his life chat ...
DAY AFTER DAY THE SAME QEUSTIONS IN DIFFERNT WAYS .....
BUT ALWAYS THE SAME ANSWERS LOL.

 

Mr Clemmons & Mr Boudreaux is still alive! They know what he's looking to be answered, they not on here to my knowledge but I bet there where they can be reached!

 

That is interesting for sure. Especially how they turned black out of nowhere. And All them black dogs wrecked everything and still do. You will find...Spike...Bullyson..Eli...Eli junior..Arts Missy and so on....and Dibo Himself in all the great black bulldogs peds. Its food for thought indeed. Even Ines that aren't black...but came from those dogs like Art and Gr Ch Spike. Even top producing dogs like snooty and trouble spitting out winning black dogs because Dibo family is in the ped. That was a good read. Thanks. I do wonder why he said if you get a red dog...that's the one to breed back in. Anybody have thoughts on that?

 

The pure bred ones always come back red r buckskin. The pure maverick always go back to that red color.

 

I alway wondered where those red eli dogs at & then I really looked at my peds

 

excektly 59 .......and that is no mysteria .
he had 2 red litter mate's (male's ) in his litter

 

We have the red sixbits/mav this way, like I said, give em a call and find out for yourself! Just because he doesn't own dogs anymore doesn't mean he don't know what he was doing with them, which ones to breed & so forth!

 

capo what you use for a outcross with your stuff. just stuck my gyp to hbk's 10 grand nice six-bits dog.

 

And that's a nice breeding

 

That's a heavy clemmons dog in my avatar

 

Outcross? No need to fix what's not broke!

 

if feel you n dat my vise grip bitch to hbk's 10 grande going to be nice. something never done before with the vise grip' x clemmon's six-bits.

 

You never know what's been done before! It may have been kept secret, not everybody post what they do, it may have been a cull all, but I hope they turn out to be what your looking for! Best of luck! PS ...Clemmons dogs that really worked are sixbits/mav--sixbits/niggertoby-- sixbits/mav/niggertoby-..pretty much crossed with other Eli stock, but there's more, as long as it works and not being peddled but breed/culled right you should be ok!

 

Hello

that six bits/vice grip cross was done years ago this way, but the owner was running into troubles. but he told me back then he was real happy with the early results. im with capo on this one, this line is as good as any other when the man/woman behind the dogs does it the right way.

regards
Magma

 

Thank u. I look it up after i post it. It was coming off the silverback stuff to. It look like he had a little success with it. We got sum of the best maverick blood around, so got hopes on this 1. Me and my friend just got off the talking about the mayday dogs and the clemmons line of dogs. I told him I dont recall none of them mayday dogs going into any eli r clemmons dogs to receive any title.

 

I had seen that on the acdc kennels website , and its about time we opened our eyes to the true heritage of the eli dogs and boudreaux dogs from blind billy .The eli dog is as most intelligent people who dont have rose cloured glases on their nose in regard to floyd boudreaux , is not as floyd has him papered.The eli dog is bred out of cotton and crybaby ,and if that is true (more than one dogman of the day believes this)then we are a step closer to understanding where the black dogs form flouyds yard came from, (not blind billy)Then we also need to look at the true ped of blind billy, as that ahs always been of doubt , and if we take floyds own words about the date he supposedly got blind bily from earl tudor , then i think thats all the proof we need.Floyd said he got blind billy in 1953 as a one year old dog ,and he was born in 1952.Now i think the dibo story is very well documented, and earl tudor didnt get dibo on his yard untill 1954 , but even if we say he got dibo in late 1953 , and bred him the same day lol (which he didnt for quite a while after getting him) then the earliest floyd could have ever got billy from earl would be late 1954 or 1955, but thats not what happened and even with those dates it could never have happened and infact didnt.So if blind billys ped and heritage is not dibo , then that means floyds whole breeding program or peds from the dogs he claims to be bred from blind billy is not true,and that would lead us to assume that eli is bred from cotton and cry baby , and alhtough floyd has bred a great line of dogs over his years , i think maybe its time the credit for the foundation was given to the men who deserved it , as blind billy is not the foundation of floyds dogs , that belongs to someone else.