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Bruce Jenner

Discussion in 'Controversial and Heated Debate' started by olddog, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    And good for you.
     
  2. niko

    niko CH Dog

    neither is The Old Testament
     
  3. niko

    niko CH Dog

    It's hard to win an argument with a smart person and impossible with a dumb one lol
     
  4. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    You must have suffered a real brain strain on this on. According to the school where I received my Doctorate in Religious studies, your "thesis" which really seems out of place on this forum, would not have made it through the first group of pre readers. By the way that would have been Notre Dame. I guess that would make me the smart one trying to win an argument with the dumb one.....quite unsuccessfully I might add. No fear God love the ignorant too :)
     
  5. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    David 63 tell me why if the new testament is correct , then why does Jesus's disciples give 4 different stories how they seen Jesus after he was murdered and rose from the grave. the old testament is kind of strange where they say god loves the smell of burning flesh but you can't eat any of the dead animals being burned . there is good and bad in the bible and no one will really read it all . and if they do they still need to read it a few times from bringing to the end not just what you want .
     
  6. niko

    niko CH Dog

    yet you act like a child with the insult because someone challenges your beliefs lmao...just cause you have a PHD in bulls&#! Doesn't make you smart:)
     
  7. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    i mean wicked 13 haha.
     
  8. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Christ did appear four times just as he told the disciples he said he would.Then he was taken back up into heaven. As you remember he told the disciples he was going to send another comforter, the "Holy Spirit". First of all he wasn't murdered. He gladly laid down his life freely as a sacrifice for the sins of all. No one took it from him. God could care less about the smell of burning flesh. This was a sacrifice ordered strictly by the priest. They had the belief that blood had a cleansing power. The priest also benefited from the animal sacrifices. He had no other job in the tribe so some of the grains, meats etc. helped feed his family. I have NEVER been a person who selectievly read on parts of the Bible. :)
     
  9. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    Niko

    HAHAHAHAHA Feeling that dick of yours getting a little small like your mind? I doubt you would know intelligence even if it was artificial. Do you know what that is? Stop trying.....I'm blessed and brilliant. No more of my precious time for you. Please do me a favor? When your IQ stops a 50 PLEASE sell and please don't bless the world with any more of those offspring. Damn your funny!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. niko

    niko CH Dog

    show me the archeological evidence that supports your claims not hearsey lol.You respond like a butt hurt child:)
     
  11. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    well i call beating nailing to a cross and stuck with a sword murder there is no other word for it . he wasn't free he was nailed to a cross so he couldn't just leave and say i'm done with this . it says god love the smell of burning flesh in the old testament so tell me more . they scarifie for everything good and bad so tell me more . they like tearing the dove's head off i thought a dove was a good sign . and priest just didn't order it . it says if you do this then kill these animals and skin them and burn them but don't eat them . i think there wouldn't be much food left after a while . so tell me did god ordain the government like it says in the bible ? you know it sounds like the Hebew's went into Sumeria and came out with Satinism .
     
  12. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Amazingly, we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mention him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.

    To illustrate this extraordinary absence of Jesus Christ literature, just imagine going through nineteenth century literature looking for an Abraham Lincoln but unable to find a single mention of him in any writing on earth until the 20th century. Yet straight-faced Christian apologists and historians want you to buy a factual Jesus out of a dearth void of evidence, and rely on nothing but hearsay written well after his purported life. Considering that most Christians believe that Jesus lived as God on earth, the Almighty gives an embarrassing example for explaining his existence. You'd think a Creator might at least have the ability to bark up some good solid evidence.
     
  13. Louis Cypher

    Louis Cypher Big Dog

    .....there are no atheists in foxholes
     
  14. david63

    david63 CH Dog

    sorry. You have too many misconceptions. The sacrifices were required by the rites of the religion not God. They thought this would please God. It was a man made rule not Gods. Remember all the temptations and chances when Jesus could have at anytime refused his calling. Even up to the last minute when he asks God to let this cup pass from him but not as he willed but as his Father willed. Remember, he said nothing in his defense when questioned. All he had to do was to say it was a really big misunderstanding. But he knew well this was what he had to do and he knew the joy that would follow the sacrifice salvation of all mankind.
     
  15. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Christians embarrass themselves when they unwittingly or deceptively violate the rules of historiography by using after-the-event writings as evidence for the event itself. Not one of these writers gives a source or backs up his claims with evidential material about Jesus. Although we can provide numerous reasons why the Christian and non-Christian sources prove spurious, and argue endlessly about them, we can cut to the chase by simply determining the dates of the documents and the birth dates of the authors. It doesn't matter what these people wrote about Jesus, an author who writes after the alleged happening and gives no detectable sources for his material can only give example of hearsay. All of these anachronistic writings about Jesus could easily have come from the beliefs and stories from Christian believers themselves. And as we know from myth,superstition, and faith, beliefs do not require facts or evidence for their propagation and circulation. Thus we have only beliefs about Jesus' existence, and nothing more.
     
  16. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    Well that's all good and fine but u forget that cultures knew god also Christianity didn't have a monopoly on god every culture almost on every continent. Knows of a god is it all the same god? maybe U can dispute the bible the Koran the Torah but how do u dispute native cultures view on god they have nothing to gain they belong to no church no reason to lie to advance there beliefs they also were not ignorant. They knew what they saw when thy saw it .. We can bring endless data to back up each of are claims til were both very old. ...science can not disprove god or they would have done it ..but in that same note I have to accept I can not prove god to you ..but there is historical data to back up the bible ..we can look up for instance the Egyptians In their history they write about Horus . Sounds like Jesus right. Well he also died and rose from the dead .. Many. Cultures have this theme in their peoples history no books nothing written except on pyramid walls but always the same theme .. U can dispute a book that's fine. But u cannot dispute almost every culture in the world Neither can science
     
  17. niko

    niko CH Dog

    did I say I believe in nothing?
     
  18. niko

    niko CH Dog

    I believe in the Greek gods:) I especially love Hercules...he's my favorite:)
     
  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    This thread went pretty south from Bruce Jenner to a religious debate. Maybe a different thread should be made for theological vs scientific theories. Just a thought.
     
  20. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    Haha no matter what u gonna be praying to something
     

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