Breeding to a well bred cur?

Limey the Simba line is showing to be quite game ... As well the nigger off spring and he was a 8 min cur

 

I would have taken that chance because you never really know until you try it plus there was prolly something he seen in the dog that he liked and wanted to incorporate into his yard...nowadays most ppl prolly base a lot of their breedings off papers but back then maybe some breeders just bred dogs they liked and hoped for the best...jmo

 

To answer your question: No, I would not breed to a 6 min cur...UNLESS he was the only dog left on a family that was worth perserving. I would probably rather choose to breed to a good game brother, but if there are none left then I might just breed to that cur. That's if and only if the family behind the cur was solid; and the only reason I could see perserving it would be for personal ties to a family that deserves to live on. Otherwise, NO!

~Mr Mark

 

People breed to 6 min curs all the time, with them breeding untested dogs and dogs that are pure junk. You might be able to do 1hr off the chain on your yard but not even 5 mins around the corner. That's why they say prove your hound out in the woods. Always hearing about these monsters, freaks and killers but never see them. Ive stated it before if I owned Bullyson, Benny Bob, Bo, Snooty, Rascal, Sandman, Bandit and they quit I would of done whats right and culled them. Now if I had the opportunity to breed to any of them today, i sure as hell would in a heartbeat. I'd breed to a dog that quit going for something and showing me something of a dog that is untested or quit in a 5 min roll. Not to mention Bullyson, Bo, Snooty, Rascal, Bandit & Sandman's producing abilities..

 

Was reading earlier and came across this article and it made me think of this post:

In 1978 the late Andre Giroux reported a match he had just won with a son of Davis Gr. Ch. Boomerang that he called Paddy ( Trulocks Ch spike in some peds thanks to the G-Man). This was Paddys 3rd win and Andre also wanted to register him as a champion. During the course of the conversation Andre was bemoaning the fact that he didn't have a thing to breed Paddy to, that is nothing that he thought would cross well to Paddy. Andre was reminded that he did have a bitch that would look real good bred to Paddy. The bitch was called Black Pinky and was one of the 30 or so odd dogs that was registered as being sired by Bullyson and Arts Missy. Andre never liked that old bitch, he claimed she was as ugly as any bitch he had ever seen. Someone had cut off her ears and her tail and she was scared from head to toe. Andre had matched her one time and had to pick her up in 9 mins with a bad bleeder ( actually she jumped the rail and ran for the hills). Andre had farmed her out after she lost and as he thought about it, he did admit that the bitch was as ugly as sin. At last Andre agreed the breeding looked like a good one and then he said, "I'll make the breeding and if they have pups, I'll send you a couple odd male pups.

Sometime later Andre called again and said Black Pinky had whelped 5 in that litter, three male and would I mind if he just sent me one pup instead of the two he promised. He sent me a lil black pup, chunky built and undershot that even at his early age, he looked like he was in charge of everything around him. Andre registered the dog with ADBA and named him Black Flash.

Black Pinky was cold and damed several winners

 

have you resendly lookt to what the Simba line is bred to!!??..

 

Tell that to ch zoro lmfao

 

Limey you seem to be a knowledgeable man, why do you seem so bothered by this? It's not your stuff, so why do you care? This bashing of others, "especially stuff that has worked well for others", seems a little immature of you! I don't own anything off Simba, so I am not speaking defensively.

 

Dayair1 .Sins when is giving critical coments on breeding and base a bloodline on a real roughf cur bashing!!??.. There are plenty of people Bashing me being direct and straight to the point and being dislectic.
I mearly used the Simba dog as i remember seeing him quit cold on all4 (not in real life) on the very first scrach in his life!!. He seemed a perfect aczample to me for this topic, withs bij the way is called ""breeding to a well know cur"" .,Sins the garner blood is umongst the most sold in this world and a great deal of his yard is based on this cur.
The Simba dog fit the profile...
and sins my last comend another boar member said that the simba line was producing game dogs. I reacted in a normal matter. For the Record Rodney Suke aka Rodney suck. (Bulldog Ransh)
tried to get our blood way back in 1999 keeping lots of hammonds dogs.. Afther i found out he wassend taking care of his dogs very wel and was visited bij animal wel fare. And was going to use the Simba dog, i refused him Acses to our blood.
As i also notised he was going to comersionaly breed them.
Afther i told him NO he started to bitch and moan and al of a sudden our blood was crap.
Years And years later he found the conection to breed that blood to the King Gator dog i bred. And who i personaly boght over on one of my trips to the usa as a gift to another man..
Only to see that blood showing up in garners yard as with other Alligator blood. To BOOST gameness on this roughf hard mouthed Cur based blood.As dogs like King Gator where one of the hardest tested bloodlines in the world at that time. Sins you askt you got your awners. dont shoot the messenger..!!......

 

Amen ! <O:p</O:p

 

OK fair enough I can understand talking about Simba in a thread called "Breeding to a well bred cur". But you seemed to of gone to a lot of trouble posting multiple links to Simba, his offspring, and particularly the breeder behind him. It started sounding like sour grapes to me. And as far as Simba is concerned, there has been members here that have claimed to of been there on #4, and indicated the handler, (I forgot his name) had him so juiced up on experimental supplements he didn't even act or look like the same dog as 1 thru 3. IDK I wasn't there, but the bottom line is, he did stop.
Now Limey, don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for you, but it is obvious from your first response to me that you have a special animosity towards this particular line of dogs and the yard that still caries it.

 

Excellent post...aside having a lot of respect for limey, lol.

 

Limey again a linage of rough curs make for some honest dogs being that you have alligator blood that comes down from nigger who was a rough cur bred to simba who actually won shows something nigger never done being he stopped in schooling then was passed around ... Put happen to produce good dogs ,like simba and hammmonds blood is accessable to many and yes it clicked well with the frisco stuff ......just wonder why you didnt use nigger in your example of breeding to a rough cur ....

 

Yup and quite. A few others ..

 

Dayair1 no ofense, but NO i took no trouble of posting pedegrees where they show our blood being mixt in!!. AFTHER meat pikkle posted a premature post ""Tell that to ch zoro lmfao"". when i askt Preme. have you resendly lookt to what the Simba line is bred to!!??..
I then posted wat i posted.and laughft my ass of as wel.. as i know and have some deeper insight on the matter. from days gone by.. The dog scene is full of ecscuses and with dogs that have ecsperimental stuf put in there system it happend al the time...
I gues The clik of that blood is there . the alligator blood brings in the gameness and durabilety that lots of these dogs have a lack of.
It seems that today nobody has a problem breeding to a roughf cur. ore base a bloodline around it. witch with al the respect in the world HE IS A CUR.. im not basing i am stating facts.
It thussend matter wat whent wrong he stoot on al 4 uponend douwn and out. yes he was hot and gasping . but so wat
He quit cold(hot)..He sure as hell had no exsperimental suplemend problem when he beating up his uponend!!..... i Have no animosety. I state facts.
in our famely in the past when i was a rooky there was a dog like him CH Gnasser who blown straight tru everyting as wel . he quit cured out on top. Hell of a dog HE WAS NEVER BRED THO. Same with the Smokey dog around the same time. workt and handeld bij Jack Kelly. who beat 7x w GRCH sindbad back then with him.. Who afther the show got harth worms. got treadmend. was send back to the uk was shown into Schotmans ch max and quit., he wasend bred eather...Still both curs where superb dogs..
I gues the fraze of days gone by still stands . One mans game dog is another mans cur..
It sais enoughf that performance is taken over the single most importend traight ""gameness"".. let me sort of Quote mayfield""

If you have a wel bred stud dog and compear him with a bucket of ice cream and i put a table spoon of shit in there and mix it in and il give you the ice cream. you would like it a lot and probely ask for more. Now If you SEE me put in that tea spoon of shit in the ice cream . you sure as hel wil tast the shit . not the ice cream!!!!!.

To me Simba ore any other ""know"" cur used as foundation stud who quit cold curred out on top, on his feet. Is that tea spoon of shit in a bucket full of ice cream!!!!!!.. and every dog from that bloodline that is based on him that quits, He wil get the blaim from being in that pedegree...
the breeders and dogman umongst us have a obligation to the dogs who lost making that crawling efford and who are no longer umongst us. to not breed to known cur dogs.
Having said that there are plenty of people who condider dogs who quit in sevear deep shock afther a long toughf one as a cur as wel . I dont i see them as curs, but deep game animals just not deadgame.. Belive me i mild on Simba... compeard to others...
THe Nigger dog there are two camps one sais he never ever quit and those are the most wel known. and the other camp sais he did. I wassend there hell i was sucking milk i gues. Would i breed of him seing him quit hell no. not alot of man would , hensh i dont belive he did. but thats another story.. full of controversy as wel....

 

Because he stil doesn't believe the nigger dog quit even after Randy was so nice to give an insight of what he had seen with his own eyes, LOL
What i do think is funny that Limey first post about the way a dog quit and that it is important.
He also stated that he would breed to a curr if it is of that family he runs and since simba doesn't have 'his' blood in him, it's easy to talk like this.
I'm really done with it before it's starting to look like i have a vendetta against this man and i wil not respond anymore to anything this man says or do.
Let others who don't know give him 'respect' for dogs of the past that he didn't even worked, at least me and other members on this board know the truth.

 

Simba was putting it on Spanky, the difference was he didn't like it when Spanky turned up the heat. Simba was the poster child for rough cur.

 

Is this thread,turning in-to wat is a cur//???.which we all have differnt opinions on wat is/r/is'nt.....there's a man live's be-side a church all his life every-morn..the bell clang's,,ding/dong,,ding/dong..after some years he could not hear this bell...why/??...b-cause he gave up listening out for the bell ...thats why...when ya giv up watching out for certain thing's..ya for-get all a-bout it........so that's my wisdom for this...(puff/puff/lol/lol)

 

I agree bro!!

 

Wow...For a dog(bullyson) to fight against his son(benny bob) is all fucked up man. Both are equals in one way or another style,mouth,etc. But in the end Benny got the edge over his fast and hard fighting sire that he managed to keep out