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Breeding different weights.

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Popeye88, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. Popeye88

    Popeye88 Pup

    I know there is a thread about small dogs 35# and under. But what about breeding those small dogs. Females in particular. Are there any risks associated with breeding a smaller female to a male that's 20# bigger or more?


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  2. Bmf_bt

    Bmf_bt Big Dog

    Hard labours
     
  3. olddog

    olddog Big Dog

    I would make sure she has had at least 2 litters before you breed her to a "larger" male. When I did this I usually got smaller litters and larger pups. This is no guarantee that breeding small to small will get you all small pups in a given litter. Check to see what the male has thrown in previous litters. You should already know what your gyp throws.

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  4. Popeye88

    Popeye88 Pup

    It's kind of hard to find a proven male under 30#


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  5. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Reminds me of that pic of Mr.Rocca breeding a small dog to what semmed to be a huge male...
    Like old dog said breeding two small ones doesnt mean much on the individual pups size,outcrosses seem to throw bigger dogs.Mr. Lightner bred his line tight and they got smaller and smaller.which leads me to beleave choosing a close relative worthy to breed to might help keep the pups size down. And only breeding once to lesson the chances of so many pups might help the labor as well.Better have a vet ready for a c-section if needed.
    Ive heard of people breeding small bitches the first heat while theyre still growing.They claim it helps with the birthing canal not being fully devolped.Others say thats they same reason you dont breed them the first heat,because they are still growing and having to provide more nutrition to feed the pups. And that they should be using all avalible nutriants to grow themselves which sounds correct.Any opinons on breeding the first heat?
     
  6. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    only breeding 1 time doesn't give you a smaller litter . in 1 breeding they put out enough sperm to have 1 -5 litters depending on how fertile he is and there' millions of sperm and only so many eggs .
     
  7. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    So do you think breeding them more than once can increase the size of the litter?
     
  8. gh32

    gh32 Premium Member Premium Member

    I never run into any problems personally. Technically there's always a small risk of a problem breeding any dog but I personally never had any breeding a big dog to a small one.
     
  9. culabula

    culabula Big Dog

    it can because not all bitches release their eggs all on the one day
     
  10. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    I agree and have noticed differnt size & maturity in pups that might be a day or two more developed.
     
  11. STONEY

    STONEY Pup

    if there are big dogs in your dogs ped chances are you will get big dogs.
     
  12. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    no problem overhere breeding large males 55 lbs to smaller females 35 lbs!!. but sins we can benifit from artifisional insiminaton then there is no problem iven with bigger pups and a bitch that is narrow inside there is a thing called caesarean!!. most of the time when you do inbreeding on a famely ore heavy line breeding you end up with smaller dogs. when out crossing size seems to increase....
     
  13. Popeye88

    Popeye88 Pup

    Yeah I just don't want to hurt my female...she's only 20lbs. I'm breeding her to her uncle to tighten up on the blood. But he's like 60lbs.


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  14. Grabo86

    Grabo86 Big Dog

    Never a good idea. First breeding should be done when the bitch is fully grown and matured.
    A serious breeder would never breed on the first heat.
     
  15. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    altho i dont do that eather plenty of legends that did. nature shows us that when they are old enoughf to bleed then they are old enoughf to be bred. but again better waight till they mature out.
     
  16. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    What I find wrong with first or even second heats is, that even with normal chronology, no bitch has proven worthy of breeding at those stages of life. Most have their first heats between 8 and 11 months old. I log heats as it may help me determine when the next, and on and on from there should occur. But, I don't consider them at all meaningful otherwise.
     
  17. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    nature don't care size ...neither first heat or 4 th
     
  18. NAS

    NAS Big Dog

    I think we are confusing nature with the desire to mate so saying old enough to bred old enough to bred.. really then anything with a hole is good to go at any time/ the desire to mate does not mean reproduce easy to get lost in that but nature , as man is a beast and cares nothing for the other and sorry cause legends did that does not mean do it, remember why most these legends are legends the dogs TDK is Correct let them Mature... 2 sounds good, some think 3 is Mature , LETS WAIT NOW TIL 4 AT LEAST.... time will tell you with TESTS is this dog Worthy, dripping blood does not. lol key Nature does not care about Anything as it will continue long after we are gone, but not all should and the way we see who is by letting them age,mature and show.. then when they come back home after a few breed and repeat and let the dogs show. We hope Everyone is having a great year and this summer is all you can ask for.
     

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