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Baddest Bitches of all Time....?

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by Dr. Lector, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. poorfarmkennels

    poorfarmkennels Big Dog

    I can think of only one story Ive read online about a past bitch where gameness is part of it, and she never produced a pup too. maybe theres more?
     
  2. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    I can tell you only one other dog did this gr.ch.shady lady as no dog ever scratched back into her..they might have jumped the pit wall but no dog ever wanted to scratch back into her the ones that did never could cause she killed them in short order...
     
  3. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    poor farm maybe you need to get out more . not everything is in writing . and boilermaker shady was a damn good bitch but i believe there were more than just her out there .
     
  4. What about Gr Ch Rioga then ? She destroyed La Dentista.
     
  5. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    Nobody gives shady lady credit for winning two in same night..no other dog in history has done that ever and never will again
     
  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I give huge props to Shady Lady but although she did two in one night, tell us about the first one that night. It is put out like she was in a tough one followed by a tougher one. In reality she mauled thru a cur in the first one and then had a time with the next but stopped that one too. She was bad bitch.


    Molly Bee won 8. Nothing scratched back to her. Her last three were handpicked dogs to stop her. People who had lost to her or seen her go and went out to find a dog to stop the great Molly Bee. It simply did not happen.


    It is a moot point. But a decent topic. S
     
  7. Vicki

    Vicki Administrator Staff Member

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  8. Brubaker

    Brubaker Big Dog

    This discussion isn't anything new and it often comes down to the same handful of dogs. Like I said before I didn't see Molly or Queen. But without downing either of the 2 one bit I will share some opinion that myself and others felt after taking a few things into account. First Queen. The fact that she went into the same dog twice leaves a small ? for me. There have been several females that didn't need 2 tries to finish an opponent. Even with a pickup there career would be over. Not to mention the owner of the other bitch wanting to throw some more green on the fact that he thought his bitch could win the show the second time around. And as for MollyBee her owner Groves couldn't even decisively say if she was the baddest dog he ever owned. Depending on what day u asked him. lol. Again I don't discredit these dogs achievements just trying to split the hairs so to speak. The Baddest not the close to the baddest.
     
  9. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    At least this thread doesn't call for just ONE bitch. It refers to BITCHES, which leaves room for many bad girls and many opinions.

    We do tend to tout bitches that were either close to us, or that we have seen personally. We tend to carry little signs on a stick that say "I've seen her and you haven't" sort of messages. LOL
    I think that's human nature.

    When it comes to the dogs not so recent in our history, we must go by someone else account of the dog. This, along with the fact that we very often become "fans" of certain dogs, no matter the reasons, leaves some validity out of the equation at times, but I guess that's what makes it fun in a way. Kudos to the OP making it Bitches and not just one bitch.
     
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  10. Brubaker

    Brubaker Big Dog

    Oh and Rosemary wasn't laughable but her being in the discussion is. A fine animal but not on the level as many bitches discussed in this thread. More or less all time.
     
  11. Brubaker

    Brubaker Big Dog

    Touche tdk
     
  12. Brubaker

    Brubaker Big Dog

    Quote:When it comes to the dogs not so recent in our history, we must go by someone else account of the dog. tdk

    Very true. Yeah we just have to draw from the "facts" or what we heard from those who have been there usually. Kinda like the song says. "I've never been to Spain but I kinda like the music". Of course interpretation of those facts and hearsay seams to very drasticallly from time to time.
     
  13. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

    there's been more bitches that has won 2 in 1 night . but if you don't live in the country they do then you may not here about it . hell limey claims 1 but key laughs about it lol . 1 bitch went 6 minutes and then number 8 went 1;36 and 1 was finished and the other didn't make it . only 1 bitch made it passed her and they were smart enough to pick up fast . so there's dogs out there that a lot have heard their name but never got a chance to see them in person . shady was a monster so she deserves a lot of respect .
     
  14. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    Good points from all of you apprecite all the input, I'm just partial to shady lady cause I did see the one match that went 11 minutes where she killed the dog dead..and I never heard of any other dog winning two contracted matches with conditioned dogs...I've heard of plenty of otc wins in a row ...I cared for this great dog ,fed and bred her to many good males and I loved her offspring very high ability dogs with plenty of mouth and game as well..I wish we would have kept some DNA off of her then paid big money to have it cloned...Anthony turned down BIG money for shady lady when he first got her I always said he should have matched her again..we did have a female off of her that was every bit as good as shady lady but we never matched her as anthony didn't want me to match her while he was gone away on a forced vacation so we bred her instead..but people used to bring dogs almost every other weekend thinking they finally had one to stop shady black..she must have won over 30 otcs..she liked the stifle just like shady lady and crippled many dogs....some of the greatest you will never hear about...due to some people are very shy about letting anyone know what they have..and some owners getocker up and by the time they get out thier bad ass bitch is too old to match...
     
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  15. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ...ya can't clone game.....
     
  16. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    Ya you can't clone game for sure but maybe mouth and ability? I'd like to know about that..good point blue8bull
     
  17. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ..it would be the luck off the draw,,so to speak it haveing the same mouth+ability...but ya never know....the way things are to-day..ie; straws/storage/etc/etc..but think the old fashion way to produce good game dogs is the best way..if it ain't broke don't fix it....it is part of the breeding waiting to see if your dog will produce better than it-self....it what ya look forward to seen in your breeding plans...?
     
  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    TDK is correct. Once it is a part of history (long ago) the arguments are based on personal preference. Usually, if a person has that particular bloodline then that is his pick for 'baddest'. Like TDK said, that is human nature.


    There is no definite way to determine the baddest. It is mere speculation and personal preference. One the dogs in question were in different eras and at different weights.


    Its a great topic as the history is a huge part of these dogs. S
     
  19. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    Good points tdk and slim 12....you know there are football fans ,baseball fans ,basketball fans and many other people who will talk shop. ..BUT none of them no group can ever outtalk the dog men...we have literally sat around for days after weight pulls talking about all the great dogs with all the dog men present
     
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  20. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Very true. The guy that really helped me a lot in the dogs came to a picnic/party. After the festivities we found ourselves sitting around with him at the head of the room. It was a Q&A session with a guy who did dogs in the 70's and 80'swith the dog men we read about. Those dog men that bred the dogs we read about.


    The party lasted for about 2 hours total and the after party went into the wee hours of the morning. S
     
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