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A Tragic Loss In These Dogs

Discussion in 'R.I.P.' started by TabDogs, Aug 2, 2006.

  1. The death of Thomas W. must be resolved. We must police ourselves. We must protect ourselves from ourselves. It is not snitching to report these bastards. It is culling our society's maggots. I will leave it at that.

    Now, looking into the dogs. These people have no case. There was an acknowledgement that his yard was not used as a fighting spot. The most they mention is that the dogs were bred for fighting. The only charge is neglect of animals. Bah! The most they should have done is given a warning to the family. In fact, they would have if not for the 300+ headline taking them away produced. We must all put our heads together on this. We must use our experiences and resources to help the Widow and family gain back the fruits of her husband's labor. I have spoken to someone near the events. In fact, I learned about this from him first. He agrees that the dogs will be returned but that the housing/feed/vaccination fees the "Humane Society" will impose will ultimately determine the fate of these wonderful dogs. He reminded me that Mr. Tant's yard was lost in this way.

    So now, I ask you all to do some research. Find court cases where these fees have been waived. It does not need to be dogs. I just hope his widow has the strength to fight the good battle. A battle that in my eyes can be won. A win that will become a precedent in the welfare of our dogs. I hope she chooses to reclaim her inheritance (key word). Here is how I see her winning a waiver of fees:

    First, the owner never granted permission to remove the dogs (hopefully this is the case). This means that it was the "Humane Society"'s (HS) decision to take them away. Let's look at the HS motive to remove the dogs. Feces was present they say. My question: How much of it was present? One day's? One week's? One Month's? Obviously if it was one day or up to a few weeks, there is enough evidence to show that there was maintenance intent.

    Second, did the dogs look malnutritioned? Obviously that is not the case. Otherwise, the HS would have screamed this in their official statements.

    Third, was there a need to vaccinate the dogs? This part I don't know. I assume him being a responsible owner, vaccinations would be part of the routine. I wonder if the family kept record of vaccinations? I wonder if the family provided these records to the HS? If answers to both these questions are Yes, then there was no need to re-vaccinate. This was the choice of the HS.

    Fourth, they claim the dogs were living in stagnant water. Humm, I would ask, did it rain in those days? How much rain?

    Now, if the family can be proven to have proactively cared for the dogs in their yard, they cannot be charged with neglect. If the dogs were removed without the signing off from the owner(s) and HS did so without valid merit (meaning it would have not done so if it was one dog or a different breed), then the housing cost, etc should not be incurred by the family.

    Thus, again I ask you all, to seek court cases with similarities to this case. Look into cattle, horses, pigs, whatever! See if any of these cases were decided as a no housing, etc. fee to the owners. I am sure the fact that the owner is dead will be helpful in our case. This case can be a good precedent if treated right.

    We must all unite and help the family of this incredible breeder and lover of bulldogs.

    Respectfully yours,

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  2. Hoyden

    Hoyden Top Dog

    Damn, my physical therapist be a dog fighter too. :rolleyes: He has treadmills and a swimming tank for dogs that he does therapy with. (He does human and canine PT BTW).

    He has the nicest carpet mill I've ever seen.
  3. Hoyden

    Hoyden Top Dog

    Courtesy of Weather Underground. Precipitation for CONROE, Tx for the week preceding and the week of Tom's murder. Over 2 in. of rain received. On August 1st, over 1/2 in. of rain was received.

    July 2006

    August 2006

    I typed in Cleveland and it gave me Conroe. If someone can help me with Texas locales, I can post a more accurate report.
  4. Bullyboi

    Bullyboi CH Dog


    im as sad as everyone else for toms family and this has some info about the dogs, there heath (which was overall good and well fed) and there exact numbers and such. I edited it a little that would have no use in posting.

    This came from someone who spoke with an "animal cruelty investigator" that was there

    I highlighted in red the parts for those who didnt think his dogs were heathy:rolleyes:.

    It looks like there is hope for some of these dogs!
    "Time for some facts from someone that was there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    These are from one of the animal cruelty investigators that I foster and train dogs for here in Galveston, Texas. He also Temperment tested the dogs before they were loaded up and assist in the search for the warrant.

    There was a total of 325 dogs in total with 8 litters of pups ranging from 6wks to 6months and from 4 to 10 pups in a litter.

    Some of the adults will be able to be adopted out and there is a list for people already, which will be thoroughly screening. The pups will have a chance as well for adoption.

    The wife originally denied any ownership but is now claiming 19 of them.

    Upon entering the house you could tell that there was a few dogs which turned out to 35 dogs in kennels and were well taken care of. One of the dogs was worth a $20k in the fighting world.

    The owner had a small vet clinic with injectables, antibiotics,other clinical care supplies and some steriods as well.

    The genral health of the dogs I was told was prety good having that many dogs with some having a few patches of mange on thier legs, one or two had ring worm, and one or two looked a bit under feed but no bad cases of emaciation.

    I was also told that most of the dogs didn't look like pit bulls. A bunch had thin-tappered into a point muzzles with big floppy ears like a hound."

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  5. Riptora

    Riptora CH Dog

    That's what I like to hear! [​IMG]Thanks for digging that up.
  6. debodebo

    debodebo Top Dog

    Keep us updated if you hear anything else.
  7. GSDbulldog

    GSDbulldog CH Dog

    Heh, maybe if the H$U$ determines them to really be "hounds" they'll let them go alive.
  8. Attila

    Attila Guest

    Probably cur hounds for hunting. Well if only six dogs only had minor stuff we already know that the dogs were much better off with the owneress and that they will not recieve good care in HU shelters. No good room. little cage and half if that rations. $20,000 dog eh. She must be able to look at another dog and make it cur out. lol
  9. I just read posts telling how different the opinions in other forums are relating to Tom's yard........I rather not visit those places because I am afraid of my reaction and replying posts. I will ask those here that are also members in those forums to please step up and educate these fools. I hope they need only education to realize their error.

    The yard was clearly raided because of the breed. I have seen enough animal cops to know that these people (Peta/ASPCA minded) have totally different standards for our dogs. If the dogs are placed together (talking of other breeds) they say that they were in danger of fighting each other. If they see they had their own food, water, and space and were secured so that they won't fight, they are deemed "dangerous" and that is why they are kept in that manner. IDIOTS!

    If I did not love the dogs, i would call one of these ASPCA organizations on one of their yards to show them they are not inmune to bigotry.

    I am sad to know that no matter how much good one does in their yard, if you own game bred dogs, you are in danger of prosecution. They want to eliminate the true breed at all costs. We must save it, at all cost. Those that have valuable dogs, please do keep them in different yards.


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  10. Bullyboi

    Bullyboi CH Dog

    Shit! bad news... :(

    (8/17/06 - KTRK/HOUSTON) - It looks like dozens of the 300 pit bulls found in Liberty County a week and a half ago will be put to sleep. That's a judge's ruling.

    Deputy constables say the dogs were bred and used in a million dollar dog fighting ring. The family who owns the dogs didn't post a bond, so the case went to the judge's hands. The judge ruled that all of the dogs older than six months old -- which is most of this group -- will be put to sleep. All of the dogs under six months will be sold at auction.
    (Copyright © 2006, KTRK-TV)

    What the fukc do they mean there going to be sold at auction??

  11. ghost 1

    ghost 1 CH Dog

    damn shame,,,and now gonna wipe out TW's lifes work,,,hmmm wonder who's the cops really lookin out for,, they need to get the pricks that done it and leave the dogs alone,,,
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  12. ghost 1

    ghost 1 CH Dog

    i don't tolerate sales ppl ,,,, when the dog hits the door they don't want to sell me nothing anymore,,, they always say "we'll come back at a better time and i never see them again,,i mean if i wanted to buy something i'll call them,,,i've learned well through life,,, less ppl knows about ur business less they'll be in it,,
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  13. Attila

    Attila Guest

    That is for sure. Nothing worse than un invited folks asking stupid questions the blabbing only what they can remember and make up the rest.
  14. BoiBoi

    BoiBoi CH Dog

    Damnit i say we get a few trucks and bulldozers together and storm the shelter, get all the dogs out and maybe even run over a few HS workers in the process, that would be 2 for the price of 1, causing some destruction and saving all those dogs, what u guys think lol
  15. Bullyboi

    Bullyboi CH Dog

    funny stuff man lol
  16. BoiBoi

    BoiBoi CH Dog

    who says im kidding, shoot im down if anyone else is LOL
  17. Riptora

    Riptora CH Dog

    Sold at AUCTION? What the hell kind of crap is that? I've NEVER heard of seized or unclaimed dogs sold at auction?
  18. cheekymunkee

    cheekymunkee Top Dog

    The judge ordered them sold INTACT at that. Unbelievable. Just unfuckingbelievable.
  19. Attila

    Attila Guest

    I am up for it so long as I can pick off the runners.
  20. Attila

    Attila Guest

    I love it when you talk dirty like that. lol Just shows you what the state was in it for. The Money.

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