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Tightest snooty dogs

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by jdp204, May 19, 2009.

  1. Blackpoison

    Blackpoison CH Dog

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  2. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    yes my friend I'm still on the BJJ
     
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  3. Blackpoison

    Blackpoison CH Dog

    OSS
     
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  4. PMK

    PMK Pup

  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Only a few of the LeBlanc dogs made it back to the NC area as that source was right here in our back yard. Those dogs were bred down out of the Mims "Snooty bred" dogs. There was no need to bring one half way across the country when they were right here.

    The few i saw were not much more than game plugs. But I have heard that when Mr. LeBlanc was breeding those dogs from Mr. Mims they were different. When he passed the name stayed the same and the pedigree became really important in selection. They were bred tighter and tighter and those were the ones I saw. Seen a couple that would take what anything could give, happily, stand up and scratch to a sign post, only to lay down and take what anything could give all over. Then repeat.

    That blood/that family/that strain became a good source for a cross. It was a high percentage game strain of dogs but just not a lot of tools and talent, just heart.

    S
     
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  6. che

    che Top Dog

    I agree with this 100% the dogs that came over here from leblanac’s strain didn’t make it a good name over here. Time will show the rest. They look different to me than what I used too.
     
  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It happens pretty much all the time when the breeder changes and the blood is suppose to stay the same, but it usually does not.

    People select for different reasons.

    One of the conversations with Mr. Mims was pretty much saying if I got four dogs from him and I bred the two pairs he miht would have bred the two pairs the opposite way. My seond thought was when I bring those two litters I would have it. He said when you are breeding someone else's dogs of you miss early you miss forever. You may get good dogs but they are now different from the original.

    It happens a lot. When I was a kid Red Boy dogs were big and dumb and slow but could breathe and would scratch all-nite. Due to a thousand different people breeding them it is not often you see a pure (in a sense) Red Boy dog that is big and dumb and slow and will scratch all nite. Most don't have to scratch because the pedigree says they will (hint, hint) and they are much more athletic looking dogs now. Breathing is hit and miss (like most traits).

    Those Snooty dogs the same. I know people who saw him way back when and said he was trash as a dog but turned into a prolific producer. Those same people will pass over any dog with a shot of Snooty in him/her.

    I also know people whoi crave for the Mims version of the Snooty blood but would not give two squirts of piss for anything down out of the LeBlanc breedings. And the same for the Garner version as well.

    Different people breeding the same family normally get different results.

    S
     
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  8. che

    che Top Dog

    Exactly, This is where the slippery slop starts. We don’t have the same view on the dogs. You might heard that some off people claim that they might have the same dogs as from source. But it’s change after you start your own breeding. Dogs change through different selections.
     
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  9. PMK

    PMK Pup

    Slim and Che you are 100% right in your views everybody has a different view on certain strains from the same bloodline.
    But I think it boils down to the production quality and performance of them strains .
    Also certain breeders have a eye for there dogs and the offspring so will definitely produce decent dogs consistently from breeding.
    But it is like when them pups and dogs change hands that is when things start to hit that slippery slope and the standard drops .
     
  10. gimwitag

    gimwitag Big Dog

    2B8D3370-6CA7-4FE3-BB1B-FBC4F1CB1196.jpeg Big boy heavy inbred snooty dog gr ch krane
     
  11. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

  12. gimwitag

    gimwitag Big Dog

  13. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Appreciate it he's a true bulldog that's all that matters to me still green on reading peds tho Ill be honest
     
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  14. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Don't trip because truthfully when you're talking about dogs 40 dead we really don't have a clue as to how they really bred. If one actually believes these pedigrees are accurate that person is a fool.
     
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  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Very true. Since this is a Snooty post the importance of "Snooty" actually fades with every generation. A Snooty grandson or great grandson is much important than Snooty could ever possibly be some 30-40 years later. With that mindsight, a person can have a good dog with Snooty in the background but having a good Snooty dog is a long shot. If that makes sense.

    Then it goes to selection. I have several dogs who have a pretty good chunk of "Snooty" blood in the paperwork but when I decided to keep them or pass on them they actually had the Red Boy traits that I like. Based on traits that I saw some forty years ago I think my dogs are even more Red Boy than their pedigree suggests.

    I think you can remove the "Snooty" name and plug in any dog from forty years ago and the conversation is the same.

    The only thing a dog from forty years ago can do today is help sell puppies. Their influence is much more nostalgia than anything.

    S
     
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  16. gimwitag

    gimwitag Big Dog

    The first 3 gen is the most important part of your pedigree if that’s what you go by. But genetics is at the end of the leash period
     

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