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Rampage Ch Ship

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Steeldog, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. kiwidogman

    kiwidogman Top Dog

    Some are happy with what they have. Some dream of coming to coming to North America to find out what they really have.
     
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  2. PLZ

    PLZ Pup

    If i'm not mistaken Alpo just arrived in Europe.
    Good dogs go back and Forth .
    PLZ
     
  3. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Great thread. It has been good conversation that strayed from the topic and created some other topics for discussion. End of the day I think everyone is really close to the same.....it is all about a good dog. Where that dog comes from or who owned that good dog is but a minor detail in the big picture.

    All of the above is true. If just going by the blueprints the 'foreign' countries should have pulled even and even passed the US based on the 'what you can openly get away with' in each place.

    I don't think that has happened. (maybe biased, LOL) The game has not changed in a hundred years here and that is why I don't see Europe and Asia pulling ahead (if it were an actual race/competition). Here in America, there are so many more dogs because of peddling and the huge amounts of money that can be made selling puppies (another topic we have beat to death). Once upon a long time ago if you had dogs, you were doing dogs so the percentages of good dogs vs. the total number of dogs was pretty high. As the numbers rapidly increased the number of good dogs did not exactly keep pace. The majority of dog owners in America today are not doing dogs yet selling dogs based on the blood, sweat and tears of another.

    Two-fold response.

    First, the people with the good dogs know they have good dogs because they are doing dogs. This group of people/set of dogs can compete with anyone, anywhere and anytime. Just like it has always been. The people that are not doing dogs but adding to the dog population drag down the percentages of the dogs as a whole. From the outside in, it looks like the US dogs have planed off or declined. Not true. Just there is far more people not doing dogs but selling dogs in the public eye. We can thank the internet for that. It gives a bad look.

    Second, the other countries are now seeing the same things the US has already seen and continues to see. It is both profitable to sell dogs and it most definitely feeds the ego for someone to want what you have. And how sweet it is to send a 'better' product back to where it came from.

    As a young man I bought/traded out a dog bred down out of GRCH Virgil/GRCH Mayday. They said he was a cur and I said he had not started. Luckily, I was right, and they were wrong. Later down the road I took him back to their camp/their area and used him to get their lunch money. It should only be about the dog/the dogs, but it gave the warm fuzzies to beat someone at their house with their dog, especially one they had given up on. When they wanted their shit back, they coughed up some $$$$$$ to make that happen. Again, the warm fuzzies from the dogs when it should be about the dogs.

    I am sure the overwhelming majority of the dogs coming back to the US are good dogs. But based on human nature, I have to think there is a guy across the ocean who is looking for those warm fuzzies too. And since the good dogs are not plentiful nor are they easy to come by, a little fabrication along the way helps get to the warm fuzzies.

    In both worlds the shitty dogs are perpetuated at a far greater pace than the good ones. Maybe more so here in the US. If there is a gap between the two, I don't see it changing drastically. Neither side of the ocean can beat its own self so kicking the shit out of the world is a bit of a stretch.

    S
     
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  4. che

    che Top Dog

    We know there is everywhere always a hard working man with these dogs that’s why we see good dogs are coming from everywhere where the dogs perform in the ring. I never get affected by what I see on internet. Internet is really full of shit. I don’t know how many people on this forum have heard of or from Mr Garik Malaya Zemlaya knl I posted about. He is real hard working, his results speak for itself. He is not on internet. He just is busy with what ever he need to do get a better and better dogs each breedings each shows. Diamonds are not easy to find you need to dig deeper and deeper, same with every important raw materials.. dogs same. I agree with u slim
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sort of the same, but you will get the jist.

    My brother/sister in law live on the coast of NC. One of their friends is a retired Russian military guy who spent many years as a weapons liaison officer between the two governments. He hunts, he fishes, he grows a lot of his own food and he built/is building his own house.

    He asked me if I knew the difference between a Russian red neck and an American red neck? I replied that I did not know.

    "The accent", he said.

    S
     
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  6. I dont understand the discussion
    these days it seems the hype is bigger
    back than they travelled and met , yes many from this area travelled lived for months in usa and showed what they had
    the us travelled here and we showed many
    I dont understand this talk

    I was in the balkan in the 90ś long before these dogs went to the place where ship was born
    back in the time where even these balkan rules were not invented
    I dont think there is a need for better dogs talk of better producer talk
    thats what I think ,than again I am just one person
     
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  7. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Rules other than Cajun I disagree, but that's another discussion LOL. The internet is a curse and a blessing at the same time for dogs.
     
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  8. che

    che Top Dog

  9. PLZ

    PLZ Pup

  10. gimwitag

    gimwitag Big Dog

    When mayday was kicking ass it was the same talk. Y'all stop being narrow minded and give ch ship his flowers while he still with us. I bet years from now y'all will be kicking yourself
     
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  11. che

    che Top Dog

    Very nice familly. I couldn’t let it go. I did get me some off him..
     
  12. italianpit

    italianpit Big Dog

    Mayday come from a solid family that u couldn’t go wrong with. His sire gr ch yellow was a top dog able to produce top dogs and producers, and the Hollingsworth blood is famous to bring game and ability since years. Mayday earned his titles going into top competition so please don’t compare ship to mayday please
     
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  13. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    To be fair got to give the ship blood 20 more years. The test of blood is time.
     
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  14. che

    che Top Dog


    Yes I agree that’s the best way off testing a familly of dogs but for now they are doing great. In Philippines one daughter of ch ship rom did out class a ch and doy. Full sister to drk cania. And Ebk tide take 1w bis with daughter of Ch ship rom x Ebk lilu. And two dogs with titles did lost in serbia in big show but they showed verg good quality . And italianpit all the dogs you mentioned are started somewhere.
    The same way those famous name came from another origin so does the not famous names that used famous ones to create there own.
    This is how new families get there start. only person who said right thing, he is @ben brockton . We will see.
    .
     
  15. italianpit

    italianpit Big Dog

    Gr ch yellow and gr ch mayday were the product of a selected breeding crossing two of the best blood ever through the best dogs available at that time who were winning into top competition. Can we say the same about ship? No!
    In Europe we have god dogs and good dogmen but not many good breeders, u can agree to me or not but this is my personal opinion
     
  16. che

    che Top Dog

    .. the impact ship dogs have you can’t underestimate. Dogs directly from ship are winning worldwide. His offsprings are producing already top dogs who are winning world wide too. And ship is that known and he is not done yet. Many dogs became famous after many years they are died . And I stil don’t agree with u because ship familly on his peds were great winning dogs over Russia, Ukrain , Georgie Moldova and other country’s also in China…. They were winning dogs….
     
  17. che

    che Top Dog

    Before I finish with my words I like to end my quote with my last quays in different words maybe is ship the start of this familly together with the bitches who already produced this number of winners
     
  18. che

    che Top Dog

  19. che

    che Top Dog

    With this bitch together

    https://pedigree.gamedogs.cz/details.php?id=122863

    I can assure you there are good and bad dogs every where like there are good and bad dogmans everywhere. Rampage is still winning international with his dogs from ship down. Other dogmans with his dogs in Asia Europe Balkan Mexico Carrabean indonezia still winning with dogs directly from ship of with his grand kids. If you stil keep saying he is just a average dog than you say also all the big names in Russia and Balkan where they do this game 7 days week are all bulkshit and you are the man you know better than al this great dogmans because even the biggest name from Balkan keep buying his familly
     
  20. italianpit

    italianpit Big Dog

    Best ship dogs and probably oldest ones come from this bitch and like u can see those CH didn’t produced anything, some 1w and many losers, just khal produced one ch with over 100 offsprings....Don’t change my words please, I said there are good dogs and dogmen in Europe but not so many good breeders. In my opinion made big impact people like krusevac with his woods dogs and pure blood with o’brian and a serious breeding plan, those dogs can compete and produce.
    Btw now will be maron dogs time so be ready to jump in his ship too
     

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