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Thoughts on dogfighting

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by JayDobermanSquad, Oct 23, 2021.

  1. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    I meant pay the bet. And yes, you are correct. I do romanticize old dogmen and as I mentioned, I am just a casual although passionate lover of the breed. I do not have any first hand knowledge and much of what I say might well be regarded as fantasy. There is a reason I do so...I try and combat public perceptions and win acceptance of our breed. Lets just say for a second I am wrong, and many dogmen are mean SOB's who will immediately put a losing dog down. They are not nearly as bad as the humaniacs who gladly take a whole yard of say 40 dogs and kill all of them. Of course they are funded by ur tax dollars.

    Ultimately, what I do and what I say is because I despise these people and even if dogmen are cruel, they are nothing compared to these mass murderers.
     
  2. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    I mean there's plenty of ppl who were quick to cull subpar animals. I've heard stories of ppl culling just because the brother was "better".

    Maurice Carver killed a man in his kitchen. Earl Tudor was a bootlegger, all around outlaw, and would do anything to make a buck. Some boys were found face down in a ditch shot execution style after a show in the 70s(d Mayfield almost ended up in the same ditch), the story of lightning Billy is on this forum to read, there's been PLENTY of pedos, rapists, murderers, thieves and liars in dogs since the dogs started(lots of them are now heros of the breed).

    The issue is that everyone is convinced these dogs are "nanny dogs" and "pitties" and every Karen from here to Timbuktu needs one of these dogs to save them from "evil dog fighters" but can't figure out why snuggles won't play with the neighbors collie.... instead of wrapping the breed and the past in bubble wrap to appease ppl the truth of it all needs told. If there was a better perception of the history of the breed MAYBE they'd have a better future.

    Hell they have ppl convinced there's no such breed as a pit bull it's just a catch all term for a bunch of similar looking breeds. That's where the real issues come in(imo).
     
  3. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    Yeah....It is hard to deny your claim that there have been some extremely unsavory individuals around these dogs. I spent some hours talking to Mike Norrod and he was always nice to me but I know he didn't get along with people here. I spoke with Bert Sorrels many years ago, and boy did he use the N word a lot. But again it is really no different from human fighting sports like boxing and MMA. There are a lot of shit bags in both. Whenever you start betting you draw in a criminal element. Also, illegal drug use is extremely common.

    The only sport that is different is wrestling. But having said that most of the people around wrestlers are wrestlers, it does not have a big viewing base like boxed and MMA have (although wrestlers make the best fighters)...BJJ is probably different because it caters to accountants with money (most aren't that tough). The old school BJJ guys were a pretty nasty lot.

    Personally, I have all sorts of serious issues, not a good example of mental health at all (confirmed by multiple mental health care professionals, LOL) I mean normal people aren't really drawn to these dogs in the first place. You are right about the Karens...one on Facebook (and her girlfriend/wife) are posting videos of the "pitty" she adopted playing with her other dogs at 9 months. We all know that if that dog is from real bloodlines that something real bad is probably going to happen eventually.
     
  4. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    The Gracies are known dog fanciers. Tom garners son is a black belt in bjj if you get a black belt from him Tom gives you a free pup. Game bred didn't pick up his nickname out of nowhere. There's plenty of football players, baseball players, actors etc who fancy the dogs too. Marcellus Wallace(if you know you know)purchased a couple from someone I know. Everyone knows Roy Jones Jr loved his birds and dogs and mimicked their style with his. When a certain NFL star was popped 2 other brothers(both NFL stars) from the south basically said "who cares it's a way of living in the south".

    The issue is ppl are so far removed from reality and nature they have no grasp or concept of what a working animal is or how they're treated.
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It is funny, as I just read the preceding posts, and every one is pretty much spot on in there posts. Sort of like 'same flavor-different label'

    It is illegal and any current activity should not be talked about in any public forum, here or elsewhere.

    The people in the dogs are pretty much a perfect cross-section of society, meaning if there are murderers and rapists and thieves and any of the lessers of man-kind, those same people are in the dogs.

    The guy that turned me onto dogs would be considered the 'grand-poo-paw' of the Klan if you listened to him talk. Today it is called dropping the N word, back then it was part of everyday conversation. With the dogs and around the dogs, he was well respected, away from the dogs not many people liked him. If he took you somewhere with the dogs the person would invite you back as long as you did not bring that 'loud-mouthed-gray-headed-sonofabitch' with you.

    I came along on a yard where dogs were culled if they could not win. There were some dogs that were deep game but the 37lb dog next to them was just as game but had more of the tools needed. There were 8-10-12 dogs that were open to the world pretty much year around.

    Hindsight being 20/20, in his later years, he had a lot of regrets about the good ones.

    I like the conversations.

    S
     
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  6. Facts. Those good ole boys were not gentlemen at all specially with those racist slur names of dogs back in the day. I mean different time but you got the history right.
     
  7. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    I mean if anyone gets in their chest about a dogs name they're pussies. Especially 60 years later. Jmo
     
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  8. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It is sometimes weird to look back and see the faults in another and then still have the utmost respect and admiration of how they treated you.

    HC named two litters after the slaves from the mini-series Roots. From Toby to Kissie to Chicken George.

    Wjen I was 10 or 12 years old Kissie was just the first dog you got to when you fed that side of the yard. Looking back as an adult I see there were other things at play.

    Do I look back at him or the times on the yard and frown? Absolutely not. He was good to me and it was a frikkin' dog. It was not a 'message to the world' as it would be today.

    It's OK to love the dogs and it is OK to love the game and the history. It is not OK to be in love with those things.

    S
     
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  9. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    I agree with you. Too many people don't read up about the history of this breed and when they decide to get a pitbull they are setting that dog up to fail. They don't understand the temperment/genetic traits of the dog. I for one, admire this breed but even though I know the genetic traits and know the history I don't feel comfortable owning one. I wish I did. They are a fabulous breed. I say this for any breed you want....read up on the history of the breed.

    Now, give me a K-9 bomb or narcotic dog, that I know.
     
  10. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    I guess that would also depend on the breed since they train MULTIPLE different breeds for such work. Beagles, Sheppard, Mals, labs, I've seen a basset drug dog.

    I doubt anyone who couldn't handle a dog aggressive bulldog has no business owning a well bred bite crazy Mal. A basset or Beagles sure.
     
  11. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    I deal with the labs. I have dealt with sheppards but not that much.
     
  12. Revelator

    Revelator Big Dog

    Bro, you said SO MUCH right there! I'm fixing to swan dive down a rabbit hole seeking more on this history!
    On another note, fk social media, emails, text messages. This game was so much better when you could sit down face to face and actually talk history without worry of off-brands trying to ear hustle.
     
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  13. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    Give me they’re facebook info now so I can report them !
     
  14. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    I will tell you a little secret: IMO....I have great respect for BJJ Black Belts, my bestie is getting his first degree this Saturday. But just between you and me they are not, as a group, that tough. I mean they are not pussies by any means, but the list of BJJ BB's that cross over to MMA and quit as soon as they realize they don't like getting punched is long. Sport BJJ has gotten more and more removed from real fighting. I think of them more as chess masters. Yes they can kill you, but IMO, wrestlers are much, much tougher. And Americans in general are not as tough as the boys over in Dagestan who fight on the daily for their lunch.

    Football has gotten totally watered down. Here in Texas, they don't even play if it rains anymore. Yeah, they are phenomenal athletes...but not game by any means.

    BTW...stupid me I just realized what Ssdd means, Sam Shit Different Day =))
     
  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Once upon a time people called each other with long distance rates that were out of this world. Once upon a time people sat down and wrote each other actual letters with pen and paper.

    When I was really young the guy that turned me onto these dogs was hooked and on the same weekend was picking up another pup off Red Boy. It took a number of phone calls from NC to SC and from NC to TN to get the weekend lined up. The weekend went off without a hitch. He won and came home with a son of Red Boy.

    A month later the phone bill came due and he owed the phone company almost as much as the weekend cost, at least as much as he paid for the son of Red Boy.

    His wife scratched first, he scratched back and then she threw a cast iron skillet like a tomahawk. It his hit between the shoulder blades at the base of the neck. I won't say he took the count but it took him a minute to get his shit together.

    So social media has blessed the dog game with the ability to communicate without the huge costs of telephone bulls nor the time it takes to actually write a letter. And what is better is the dog man does not have to take a cast iron skillet to the back of the head. Thank God for social media.

    S




     
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  16. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Own hundreds of letters from the days when there was nothing to do but write each other and yes the telephone costs were skyrocketing and besides the dogs the additional costs were often sky high especially for someone who lived 5000 miles from the event and had to travel the world to to gain knowledge. The Internet is wonderful and makes it all cheap and easy, I often find it too easy. The romance is a bit off due to social media.
     
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  17. Revelator

    Revelator Big Dog

    The ease of access makes social media nice. But for me, I like the freedom to talk and not have to worry about my words coming back to harm me, lol. Perhaps I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but the internet places a large roadblock in the path for me there. But I definitely agree that the days of free, easy access are here.
     
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  18. Revelator

    Revelator Big Dog

    And I guess to further substantiate my point, I am in a few groups on facebook, which only took me about 10 seconds to realize they are full of clowns. 99.9% of them swear they're dogmen, but don't know the first thing about a dog. Now I just stick around for the laughs, and to poke the bear from time to time, but these guys think they're something special! The amount of disrespect they show to the legends of our game is insulting, even to a nobody like me. However, this isn't specific to the dog world, this is social media in a nutshell. I can be honest with myself and admit I have a very cycnical view, and therefore maybe not the best person to debate the merits of such a topic, lol.
     
  19. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog


    Tell me about it. There was a post/video showing a (what looked like a real deal game dog) taking out a coyote. This was a response to all the other morons claiming that a wild animal like a coyote would easily kill a real pit bull. One moron posted that he was a "lifelong dogman" and such cruelty was despicable and we were all scumbags (he included me, as where I live has had coyote issues) for even watching. He then went on to say that he would do the humane thing and stop the fight and put the coyote out of its misery.

    I called bullshit. I said "I am no dogman but I have broken up plenty of fights. To get the dog off you will have to grab it by the scruff of the neck and then use a breaking stick to pry the jaws off. Then, the coyote is going to come back in for another bite, possibly bite you. Even if you had a third hand how are you going to get a shot off? Even if you did, I doubt it would be a head shot, probably hit the coyote in the flanks where it would bleed out slowly." Having exposed his idiocy he then fell back on the accusation that I was some sort of dogfighter, which I am most certainly not, just a pet owner who has owned 2 dogs at once on more than one occasion.

    However he was/is typical of the kinds of dummies you run into on social media.
     
  20. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    Social media.........ah yes........just know that a lot of people think they are a tough guy when they are behind a computer. They can be whoever they want to be behind that computer. That's why a lot of them are rude and nasty and know-it-alls.
     
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