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Buying a dog in the U.S.A

It takes 2 1/2 to 3 years to breed, raise, school and test a litter of dogs and, of course, many of them don't make the grade, but the buyer still expects each one to be perfect. And most of them want "Gr. Ch. Art" for the price of a newspaper poodle! Those who have tried breeding and raising a number of dogs seem to have more respect for the breeder than those who just picked up a breaking stick 6 months ago and more respect for a good dog also.
What I find presently aggravating is the way some buyers shop for a dog or pup based solely on pedigrees or perhaps one or two famous performers from a certain line. Bloodlines come and go so quickly in this game that if one breeds a litter of what is popular today by the time he has them raised they are likely to be yesterday's news and the buyers want something entirely different. For that reason (and others) I choose not to conform to what is currently popular but rather to just breed the best dogs that come along.

Consequently, I suppose my pedigrees may look pretty scatter-bred or haphazard to some but it is a result of raising a lot of dogs and simply "letting the cream rise to the top" come testing time. I forget their names and leave their pedigrees at the house, as it were, and play no favourites. I have learned long ago that if you lie to yourself about your dogs it will only cost you more in the long run.

My dilemma comes in trying to satisfy customers who are "pedigree shopping". They ask what bloodlines my dogs are out of and I have to respond something like Rascal, Alligator, Tudor, Lightner, Bullyson, Tombstone, Bolio etc. It seems most people refer to "landmark" dogs or breeders in their pedigrees and my "landmarks" have fallen rather far back. Now, through my experience and research I know, for instance, that the Plumber's Ch. Alligator is half Tudor breeding (Jeff, Spike, Black Widow) through "Nigger" and half Carver breeding through "Satin Lady". I also know that "Bolio" is very heavy in the blood of "Black Widow" and "Dibo" and, as such, is closely related to the "Nigger" dogs and therefore is a line breeding not an outcross. ("Bolio" is probably related to the Carver side too, but since so many Carver pedigrees were intentionally misrepresented by him and others, we'll never know for sure).

The point is that although many of the older breeders know how the different bloodlines are related (on paper anyway) many of the buyers do not! And pedigrees that may be a life's work of line breeding may look to them like a hodge-podge of unrelated strains bred together by some "ignorant old codger" who "doesn't have a clue."

Well, maybe the prospective buyers should give the old farts a little more credit. Speaking only for myself, I have made all the mistakes possible breeding dogs! And I think it has made me a better breeder for having made them. A lot of breeding, after all, is knowing what dogs NOT to breed.
The point I've been driving at is that I think the person one buys a dog from is much more important that the bloodlines the dog is from. Two different breeders can start with the exact same dogs and in a few generations one will have improved greatly upon his foundation dogs and the other may have completely ruined his. How? By the choices one makes every time a litter is bred!

Some things to stay away from? Curs, of course, cold dogs, hunching dogs, non-scratching dogs, scratching but non-follow-thru dogs and so on. In other words, deviants from the norm or "weirdos" as I like to call them. And, just as important and often overlooked, dogs that are bred from parents and grandparents that fall into these categories! But what if he/she is a "super" Bulldog? Should I not breed to him/her just because one or both parents are weird? The answer is: if you want to keep coming up with weirdos that is how you get them. Even if the dog is right in every way he will produce some screwed up dogs. Practically every dog does. And in my opinion, breeding to these deviants is why overall, our breed is so screwed up and so difficult to breed good dogs from today!

I know it's easy to get confused and get on the wrong track. I know of breeders with 20 or 30 years experience that haven't figured all this out. It is easy to become frustrated, to fall pretty to the stories of curs producing game dogs, game dogs producing curs, etc. ad infinitum. Some of them are true and it is mainly attributable to breeding errors like those I've mentioned before. The bottom line is if you want consistency (who doesn't) you have to breed only to dogs that conform to a certain standard. If you do this for several generations all the other crap seems to disappear! That has been my experience anyway. And I have gone from breeding a whole litter of cold dogs 15 years ago (out of very game parents) to getting litters with 75% or 80% good dogs. (Yes, I'm referring to these scatter-bred Rascal, Alligator, Carr, Bullyson, etc. mutts I currently have. I'm just going to start calling them Rushin Bred dogs, I guess. It's a lot easier.)

Finally, to the novice this advice. Don't get too involved with pedigrees or with who was breeding good dogs 20 years ago. Don't be too quick to breed to that multi-time winner either. Unfortunately performance doesn't guarantee prepotence. (How many great dogs have you seen that were out of two grand champions bred together? Not many, right? Ever wonder why not?) In fact many great performers have been total flops in the brood pen. Why? One explanation may be, believe it or not, a lack of gameness! Most of the really great dogs never sustain much injury. Some of them act bad when they get in a little trouble but their ability gets them out of it quickly and they go on to win. I've seen several champions myself that acted badly and I wouldn't breed a coyote to them, but you won't read about this behaviour in a two sentence match report sent in by the winner. You won't see it mentioned in his stud ad, either!

Unless you are in a position to raise a lot of dogs, you'd be better off waiting a couple of years to see what the latest "super-dog" is producing. Ask what he's produced! If he's been bred to extensively for 3 or 4 years and has only produced 1 or 2 good dogs out of a dozen or more litters it might be best to avoid him. Regarding pedigrees: What was a good line 10 or 20 years ago may have fallen apart by now. And to you who are inclined to "paper breed" remember, papers can be falsified and many have been! (Some breeders even have been known to register a dog one way and then go back and change his breeding years later, perhaps because he's pushing a certain bloodline more now, and this has been allowed and even condoned by the dog magazines! Gr. Ch. Buck's many pedigrees are a good example of this! He started out pure Tombstone x Dolly and now neither dog is even in his pedigree!) There are no safeguards unfortunately.

Anyone who buys an ad can put in anything he chooses, so be careful! And try to give the honest breeder some credit. It's a lot easier to get champions and ROM's by cheating that by doing it the honest way. But if you do it right your accomplishments mean alot more.

I think the key to buying a good pup is asking the right questions! Such as: How many litters has he bred, raised, schooled and tested (a measure of his experience). Regarding your pup or dog: What are the parents like? Are they hot or cold? Have they been tested? Did they show to be good dogs? (Yes, believe it or not some people will test a dog and if it doesn't show well will breed it anyway with justifications like: "But look at his pedigree!" or "He wasn't feeling well that day" or "He's got the mouth, I'll put the scratch in there with the bitch" and so on). Same for the grandparents. Again, the same for the great-grandparents. Now, of course, you can be lied to so check out the seller's credentials with his peers in the fraternity, too. Is he known for honesty or is he a paper-hanger and pedigree changer. I always assume if a man will lie about one thing he'll lie about anything and make my judgements accordingly. I'm seldom proven wrong about this.

If you follow these suggestions I feel you will have a much better chance of getting a good one. But remember, even if you buy a top bred pup the environment he's raised in and his care and feeding are just as important as his breeding! You get out of them what you put into them. (More if they're bred right!!)

It is my hope that you can avoid the rip-offs, intentional or not, and find that good dog you are looking for. I hope this will be of some assistance in your search. Good Luck!

Written by 'Rushin Bill' in The Pit Bull Reporter

 

MC GEE'S ANGUS




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Lots of great insight in this article. I’m looking at pedigrees similarly to cooking recipes now. Add too much of one thing, or not enough and you’re fucked. Better to just start from scratch and build your own based off what you’ve seen, not heard. Easier said than done, but definitely worth it.

 

This brought back some memories. When I was first making treks across I-40 to visit Bill and get some dogs he probably couldn't have given me those Rascal, Alligator, Tudor, Lightner dogs for free. I had my eyes on prettier pedigrees. I ended up buying one with that stuff in the bottom half of the pedigree. She turned out to be one of the most destructive dogs I had the pleasure of seeing and they don't make them any gamer. I miss that little dog. She set a high bar that I use measure all my mutts with now.

 

Started down memory lane and forgot what I wanted to say. The gist of the article and lesson I learned, by walking past good dogs with my nose tuned up, is the "who bred them and why" part of the not so old dogman quote.

 

CH MTN.MAN'S LIL BILL (3XW-1XL-G)


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You can get lucky sometimes but you just can't constantly breed good dogs from other folks eyes.

 

Bill must have been a man full of integrity not to have put papers on the 35 dog,no doubt he could have made a fortune if he had.Loved the interview he did with Ed crenshaw as well,i still listen to it on you tube now and then.

 

MIDDLETON'S MISS SNOOPY
LITTER MATE SISTER TO
GARNER'S GR.CH. SPIKE ROM
bitch look like twins lol...

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Bros Pretty Boy Floyd was a good Rascal bred dog.

 

SCOTSMAN'S CH YOGI & SCOTSMAN'S CH HAGAR

 

GR CH LOKI'S DEN SWEET TOOTH 5XW SDJ-PH 2017 DOY
1st OCT. 17, 2015 VS CARE BEAR'S 1XW AMBUSH - 1 HR SCRATCHING - RIP
2nd JAN. 16, 2016 VS 12DK B2 - 33 MINS SCRATCHING - RIP
3rd MAY 14, 2016 AN INTERNATIONAL MATCH VS PITBROS DOSE - 1 HR SCRATCHING - RIP
4th JAN.28,2017 VS RUTHLESS RAFA - 2 HRS 50 MINS SCRATCHING
5th DEC.9,2017 VS LOCKDOWN/QCK 2XW LUCAS - 58 MINS SCRATCHING
NOV. 3, 2018 COLLECTED FORFEIT VS ART OF SIAM ACE VS ACE SEA GAMES OF THAILAND

It takes a special kind of gladiator to earn those much-coveted four letters aside from dedication and hard work. Some would say it is luck once you factor out conditioning or the ever changing players of the game while the game remains the same. However, luck in this sport has very little elbow room because of the sweet science we apply in shaping the dogs. Hence it may now boil down to breeding. Looking at GRCH Loki’s Den Sweet Tooth’s pedigree alone, one could say that he is destined for greatness. His sire is the famous GRCH Loki’s Den Loki, who himself came from notable parents, BWK’s Slick POR and BWK’s Nuke and Slick is from the famous breeding of Arce’s Linear POR to KSK’s Winky POR. On the Dam side of GRCH Loki’s Den Sweet Tooth, Loki’s Den’s Dirty Mary is from the exceptional breeding of GRCH Southernmen VP's Cuba 6xW to Kintanar’s Nugra 1xW. Cuba came from the winning progeny of Lycan’s Dimas 1xW 1xD POR and Southern Men’s Trauma POR while Nugra is off GRCH DGK’s Timoy and Kintanar’s Yellowisk, who in turn is off Arce’s Yellow John and Arce’s Pomelo. Please note that all references to competition and winning are in regard to legal, socially acceptable sporting activities. There are conformation champions, weight pulling champions, hunting champions, treadmill race champions and others. He is the PH's youngest GRAND CHAMPION and STILL "open" to the world in any competition. The most avoided by the others! -- SDJ PH Sporting Dog Journal PH



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GR CH LOKI'S DEN SWEET TOOTH 5XW x CH. LOKI'S DEN WICK FACE 4XW 1XL

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R&B'S CH DODO 3XW POR

https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v...83d4858946f&_nc_vts_prog=1&_nc_vts_internal=1

1xW for 12 min. vs S.Gy.’s (Ultimate Fighter’s Chase
2xW for 14 min. vs Gazdag’s Devil 1xW
3xW for 33 min. vs Mata’s & Losz’s Bosco

https://pedigree.gamedogs.cz/details.php?id=237338&fbclid=IwAR1NnMZemMMZn2lToSPH5Ck1yyrcjfGRIIoCrXNuq25fSYmVfG8O55Esjh4

 

Gr ch mayday
A signed photo from aycart to fat bill. I bought the photo

 

Dixie line connection Gr ch Bo
Another photo I got from from fat bill.

 

I notice you are acquiring quite the collection....those photos are some good memorabilia....(and with a little bit of luck the burning question would be.....how does one get a 'raffle dog' into Aus?...lol)

 

Scotsman, Hagar & Yogi.. An absolute force in UK.
Only time Hagar & Yogi ever fought together (to my knowledge) was one time Hagar caught the flirt and Yogi piled in to own it.. They worked different styles, Hagar faster & smarter, not sure which dog I preferred, proud to have owned either, thanks for sharing

 

Just say it's a Labrador ‍♂️

 

CH BLACKOUT HONEY 3XW (D.O.Y.2020)

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