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Lee's Ch Reno ROM

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by F.W.K., Feb 3, 2018.

  1. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Lee's Ch Reno ROM 8xw/2xl

    ''Reno” was born at Ronald Boyles’ on July 9, 1984. His father was Holland’s GR. CH. “Cherokee Chief” ROM. His mother was Boyles’ “Dirty Mary” ROM. This was Ronald’s second litter off “Dirty Mary”. When she was first acquired from Pat Patrick she was bred to Patrick’s “Four Bits”. This was a small litter that included “Chainsaw Red”, the mother of “Limited Edition” ROM. The litter off “Cherokee Chief” and “Dirty Mary” was a large one, I believe “Dirty Mary” raised 12 pups. Ronald told me that, because it was so large, he ended up losing track of several of the pups that he had from it. Even so, it included CH. “Bolt Action” ROM, CH. “Mr. Rogers”, CH. “Reno” ROM, “Lugnut” and “Crankshaft”. “Reno” spent his youth with Santos Fred. Fred was a serious dogman who was located in the same general vicinity as Ronald. “Reno” looked good in his early rolls and soon established himself as a top prospect. His basic style was to bury himself in the other dog’s chest and stay there as much as possible.


    "Dirty Mary"
    He was very strong with a lot of mouth and was able to overpower many considerably larger dogs.After winning a couple off chain matches Fred matched “Reno”, winning with him against a dog out of Southern Florida called “Popeye” at forty one lbs. As expected, “Reno” buried himself in “Popeye’s” chest and ended it in about forty five minutes. Fred was so impressed with “Reno” that he decided to match him into CH. “Flint”. The only problem was that the match was to be at thirty eight lbs. Now Fred knew that this was likely to be a struggle since “Reno” had always been kept butterball fat at Fred’s house. Fred being a butcher, “Reno” was kept on a diet of mainly meat and ate quite well, probably generally weighing in the mid to high forty’s. For the match, “Reno” came in at this lighter weight looking very drawn down. Even so, he was able to do quite a bit of damage to “Flint” during the course of the match which went about 1:50. As often happens with such significant weight loss, “Reno” ran out of gas after most of his damage early. At the end of the contest “Reno” went into a seizure and collapsed in his corner. “Flint” scratched to win with “Reno” unable to stand. After the match, “Reno” recovered while “Flint’s” owner was unable to save him. When we talked about this match, Fred was very emphatic that this match should not have been a loss for “Reno” He said that “Flint’s” final scratch was most certainly a foul. “Flint” was in very bad shape, barely able to keep his feet. When released he staggered along the wall and had to be guided by his handler’s knee several times in order to find his way to “Reno’s” corner. Fred asked for a foul since “Flint”s” handler had both touched his dog and left his corner in the process.
    This foul was disallowed by the referee who was a friend of “Flint’s” owner. Fred said that this criticism was not meant to take away from “Flint’s” gameness but that he didn’t feel that “Flint” could have completed his scratch on his own and the match should have been a draw. After a rest, Santo’s Fred took “Reno” back up to forty one pounds and matched him into a group from the Tampa area. Once again, “Reno” dominated, winning in his usual style in about forty minutes. The next match was into Murphy’s “Pacman”, again at forty pounds. “Pacman” was an “Eli” bred dog. “Reno” totally overpowered “Pacman” staying in his chest for most of the thirty minutes the match lasted until “Pacman” gave it up. “Reno’s” next contest was against Rebel’s “Chocolate Soldier”, a one time winner off Diamond Jim’s “Luther” and Patrick’s Angel Face”, a sister to “Dirty Mary” ROM. Here again, “Reno” was taken below forty pounds, coming in at about 38. This match went much like the one with CH. “Flint”. “Reno” got ahead early, ran out of gas and went into a seizure at around the 1:30 mark “Reno” recovered from the seizure in about 15-20 minutes and was OK afterwards. “Chocolate Soldier”, however never did recover from what he took from “Reno”.At this point it seems worth mentioning that while no will ever know why “Reno” went into these seizures I have seen this happen to human athletes that are drawn very fine when participating in endurance activities. I believe it has to do with burning muscle tissue for energy and toxic by products that result.
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    The only time “Reno” had these seizures was when he was taken below forty pounds. In all the times he competed at above forty pounds, he never had a problem. After this match Fred had a few personal problems and turned “Reno” over to a friend of his, Space Cowboy. Space Cowboy was known as one of the best conditioners and handlers in that part of the country. He took “Reno” back up in weight and immediately challenged Ricky Jones at forty three pounds. Jones was very confident, feeling that “Reno” was a cur because of his failure to scratch in his two earlier matches against “Flint” and “Chocolate Soldier”. He made numerous statements to this effect to his friends. Ricky’s “Bandito” was outclassed and was in serious trouble from about fifteen minutes on. Ricky, noted for being less than the consummate sportsman in the square, tried tricks such as dribbling spit into “Reno’s” nose to make him release his hold. Finally, in desperation, Ricky started pounding on the rug in front of “Reno’s” face, raising considerable dust in the process.

    After a bit of this, and not getting much resistance out of “Bandito”, “Reno” released him and bit Ricky on the wrist, breaking an expensive watch in the process. Infuriated, Ricky pulled out a knife and threatened to cut “Reno’s” throat. Santos Fred, at pitside, commented that Ricky wasn’t the only one with a knife and Ricky apparently decided that it might not be the thing to do after all. Ricky finally picked up at about forty two minutes. He demanded that Space Cowboy courtesy scratch “Reno” saying that if he didn’t he was going to report that he was a cur. Space Cowboy didn’t normally believe in courtesy scratching when the other dog was picked up to be saved from a certain killing but finally tossed “Reno” back into the pit from the outside. “Reno” fell on his face then started towards “Bandito” who promptly headed in the other direction. After this match “Reno” was sold and retired to stud. To date, he has produced six champions and numerous other good dogs. At this time he still has a lot of young dogs on the ground and is likely he will end up with a couple more. He’s still alive and in good health but has not produced any pups in over a year.
     
  2. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    That’s a beautiful dog. ...: anyone know the reason fo the seizures for going lighter or what causes this?
     
  3. thecableguy

    thecableguy Big Dog

    I don't know shit about dogs but I do know a little bit about humans. It might of been 3 weeks uriah hall was suppose fight vitor and he had a really bad weight and had some seizures you are demanding your body to do something it's not suppose kidneys shut down oxygen isn't going to the brain the way it should when fighter cut a lot of weight they are prone to fatigue faster and are more subjected to being knocked out are body get use to a certain amount of calories and you are cutting weight your body isn't getting those calories you are use to and u start to feel like shit.. I don't even know if what I wrote make any sense oooh shit I forgot I didn't eat diner see what I mean.. ANYWAYS THERE IS WEIGHT CLASSES FOR A REASON
     
  4. wicked13

    wicked13 CH Dog

    I see so sudden weight drop . Wouldn’t also running a lil dry do it also ?
     
  5. thecableguy

    thecableguy Big Dog

    When you drop pounds that fast, you’re not generally losing much body fat—you’re mostly shedding water weight. Burning off fat takes much longer. But because you’re depriving your body of a substance crucial to its survival, you end up with a host of problems. Proper hydration allows your muscles to get enough blood flow, which delivers oxygen and various nutrients, plus removes waste from the muscle cells. And on top of performance problems, athletes can risk their lives. The two biggest threats are decreased kidney function and heat illness or stroke,” explains Nicholas Rizzo, a past president and board member of the Association of Ringside Physicians. “Those are the main cause of deaths.”
    Water enables your kidneys to filter blood and maintain proper balances of potassium and sodium, both of which are critical to cell function. Your kidneys are basically a series of membranes with blood on one side and water (later: urine) on the other. The body gets potassium, sodium, and lots of small molecules of waste to move across those membranes by creating what’s called a concentration gradient. If there are lots of, say, sodium atoms on side A and not many on side B, the sodium will move towards side B to balance the everything out. That’s pretty much how your whole excretory system works. So if you deprive your body of water, you can’t get enough of a gradient to filter your blood.

    Long-term kidney impairment eventually leads to damage, and that damage can kill you—if the heat doesn’t get you first.

    Sweat is, as you might remember, how humans cool themselves off. We are constantly getting rid of heat from our bodies, even when we don’t feel like we’re actively sweating, and we can only do that because we have water to spare to evaporate into the air, taking our body heat with it. In a sufficiently dehydrated state, you stop being able to cool off. Some fighters have gotten heat illness, heat stroke, or even died from overheating.
     
  6. thecableguy

    thecableguy Big Dog

    Correct..
     
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  8. Another great read f.w.k.most boyels dogs love the CHEST.and they love to stay there to.:):):)...
     
  9. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    LOL wasn't no seizure and it only happened when his opponents start giving him some of what he dished out.. Owned a few of them down off that line of dogs and most were exactly what Reno was, very hard mouth bad mutha's but didn't have a lot of heart in them.. One of my favorite dogs down off that stuff is a gyp i purchased from an old friend.. She was a solid dog and produced some good dogs that we never registered online.. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=318038
     
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  10. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    But still a better dog then many out there.
    If the pressure is high enough the majority will stop.
    They are only flesh and blood no machines.
    Bullyson, Nigger... Reno....
     
  11. Well said sir.I agree.for what they take for us,they deserve some leniency...theres always someone better.sometimes they don't meat it.sometimes they do.
     
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  12. KDW

    KDW Native Nightmare

    And so many years in gamedogs and 80% of the ppl in it now a days still dont understanf this point! I rather pick up a good game dog then take a dead dog home... Jmho
     
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  13. Very well said!.(and so would i.)...dam!!!.if more people had that attitude it would be a lot better.I hope every one take yours and F.W.K.comments seriously.......people need to show fairness/sportsmanship.to make it great....great comment.
     
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  14. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    I’ll buy into this only if it’s a VERY exceptional dog. Not just regular above average, above above average. No need to lie to yourself and breed to a cur. I’m not saying Reno was a cur, I’m saying he would have to be REAL special to stay around my place after 2 stops. It seems he was special. My opinion will vary from the next man on what stays and what goes.

    Plus I wasn’t there to see him so I’m just talkin
     
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  15. I'm just talkin to c_note.no debating,as I'm no one to debate about anything lol.just talkin dogs,which is great!..........when I said leniency I did not mean making excuses.I meant just being fair.being a good sport.after all they can all be stopped at some point.hell.any fool can stop a dog if he really wants.if someone cares to go that far,what will happen?.the dog will die going across.(dead game)or the dog will stand in the corner,and still die after it.or it might even jump.either way, the outcome is not good.as I said,leniency is not a excuse.and a cur is a cur.but to call some curs,quite simply because they took the count is a little harsh.especially without doing some research around that particular matter.don't you think?.I do.and remember there is a difference between a dog what gets stopped.(or takes the count).to a dog what "curs".(jumps)...great talking to ya!!............
     
  16. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    Mouth wise Reno was a 10, he could punish and he would finish you without question.. Offensively he was most definitely above average in that dept.. Was he dead game? No but some aren't. If you just trying to win and have that ability to win, Reno was a dog you would breed to. He would beat a lot of dogs that are considered great...
     
  17. YellowJohnJocko

    YellowJohnJocko Big Dog

    Rock n Rye you said it there. Not all dogs are high calibur show dogs and not all dogs are high percentage producers.

    A dog like Reno is an exception to the rule which is gameness. When you have an individual that lacks nothing in all other departments but isn't dead game doesn't mean he's a waste or should be wasted. He made ROM too...go figure.
     
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  18. c_note

    c_note CH Dog

    There are a few that quit I would breed to. Adding high ability and mouth to an already game family is worth a gamble. I think y’all understand what I was sayin about stopping. It wasn’t a slight to any dogs or anybody
     
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  19. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Deacon ROM and Spanky, littermate to Queen of Hearts we’re both staked out right next to Reno.
    I raised and used dogs off all 3. I would take 1 pup off deacon and 1 pup off Spanky before I would take 100 off Reno.
     
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