Raw Meat Diet?

Any feed there dog a raw meat diet does it work out ok?

 

I dont think you should ever goo 100% either way, I think supplementing raw meat is the best way to go.
Millions of dollar of research and energy goes into making a quality Kibble and I think its a great foundation for a dogs nuritional needs. I think that supplementing with a nice daily vitamin and some raw meat goes a LONG way to helpingyour dog reach its full genetic potential. Aorund these parts we do Pet tabs plus daily Vitamin,Kibble and then depending on the day: ground beef, chicken quarters, or liver.
They love is and it makes a huge differnece in the dogs. It costs more but well worth it in my eyes.

 

"Millions of dollar of research and energy goes into making a quality Kibble"

Sorry but LMFAO......how did dogs ever survive before they invented kibble?

 

BARF is superior to ANY kibble. There is no need to make it more complicated than that. Try a search for "BARF" and you will find all the info you need to learn about raw diet.

Regards,

B

 

The very best kibble has fillers in it. Barf is the way to go when feeding a healthy dog.

 

They ate dog food... but the dog food of back then compared to the food that we have available now is quite different. there are so many brnads and types of food, plus all the specialty feeds with additives and nutrients and what not... its laughable to even try to compare. Not to say dogs didnt eat well back then, then bought the best feed they could find, but even back then the best they could find is lack luster to what we have available today.

I think the post was pretty explanatory... but let me reiterate.
If you are feeding a great quality kibble, dont stop. That is a great foundation for a dogs needs, all you should really do is supplement that feed.
Lets me say that you cant be buyiing the supermarket brand dog food in the big white sack and just says DOG FOOD in black letters either, spend the money to get a quality feed.
your dog is only going to be as great as its genetics allow, bt you can definately help him to fall short of his potential with bad feed.

 

How U All Feed Chicken ? With The Bones?

 

Lets me say that you cant be buyiing the supermarket brand dog food in the big white sack and just says DOG FOOD in black letters either, spend the money to get a quality feed


Back then, thats all the good dog food they had. CORN CORN CORN. Might as well give your dog a bowl of corn chips!

And some people still fed the raw meat diet. uneducated folk claim raw is not good for a dog or any breed. Those are folk who are uneducated in dog's diets to be more clear.

Some just dont like the fact that their sweet little buddy could take to meat well. The very best dog food has filler in it. Even if its high quailty, and doing well, some choose to feed that or both, or etc.

Hands down, raw meat is the best thing to find a dog.

 

Even using the barf diet you still have to supplement the diet with various vitamins and minerals. I am not saying that kibble is the best food available. I am saying that it is an adequate food and given certain supplemental additions provides a fantastic feed for a dog. Now if you have the time and money to feed an all natural diet then by all means it IS superior.
There is a notable difference between a dog that is all kibble compared to a dog that is supplemented with BARF. There is very little difference between a supplemented dog and an all naturally fed one.

I personally see no need in passing on the foundation of Kibble to go all raw... but thats just me. after all it was an opinion post based on personal experience.

I still think to combine the two is best for me.

 

Raw with the bones! Feed the thighs or the whole quarters!

yIS

 

Well, I have been feeding BARF since I stop with Canidae. I guess it could be about 5 months or so. At first, I was 100% pro a BARF diet. Since, I have immerge myself with all that is BARF pros and cons. I will post some articles against BARF just because most here sound PRO BARF (I am one that feels most people should stick to high quality kibble):


An Unsupportable

The raw meat 'theory' has been made popular by a few vets-turned authors such as Ian Billinghurst and Dr. Pitcairn. From there, many other holistic vets who put their trust into these authors have exuberantly promoted the concept. These authors have created a significant paranoia - to the point where people are afraid to cook their food or purchase any commercial food products. Interestingly, most people following this diet only apply the logic to their dog's diet and continue eating cooked foods themselves.<O:p</O:p

They are contradicting what the great majority of veterinarians and qualified animal nutritionists have determined to be true. I have not met anyone who could provide scientific data to support these claims.<O:p</O:p

The owners of B.A.R.F. (Bones and Raw Food) websites and Internet discussion lists are (to my knowledge) dog owners and breeders, not veterinarians. They provide questionable testimony and are not qualified to be prescribing diets for your dog, or advising on alternative medicine in any way. A qualified, respected veterinarian would not do this over the internet.<O:p</O:p

These "followers" of Billinghurst, Pitcairn, Schultz and other authors are so dependant on the books that they casually refer to it as their "bible." The barf lists on the Internet are very much "cult-like." You will be warned if you even mention my website, and banned if you agree with it. They will not tolerate ANY opinion other than their own and are extremely hostile toward anything that challenges their belief system. Barfers have retaliated to my website/article by attempting to discredit me with accusations of being affiliated to a commercial dog company. So for the record, I do not sell dog commercial dog food. I am not selling anything.<O:p</O:p

There are a few Internet discussion groups against the feeding of B.A.R.F - however, they have had to go "underground" because the members of B.A.R.F lists will join and make it impossible to have a discussion without arguments and attack. Barfers have even gone as far as to start discussion lists posing as "anti-barf" groups, only to lure in people who are looking for more information, and to attack those who speak out against B.A.R.F. It's absurd!<O:p</O:p

Sadly, many of the discussions on the barf message boards are about how ill the dogs are from raw meat/bones. People who are new to feeding B.A.R.F. are told that symptoms such as bloody diarrhea, choking on raw bones, and other health problems are perfectly normal, as their dogs are "purging" toxins. I receive numerous emails from people who have left these lists due to their dogs becoming very ill or actually dieing from the barf or other raw meat diets.<O:p</O:p

Profiteering Veiled as Advocacy<O:p</O:p

The makers of raw meat diets sold in pet stores that I have met are not vets, and do not have a science/microbiology background nor experience in the practice of veterinary medicine. They have been salesman, groomers, or simply dog owners. Their information seems to be wholly derived from those books written concerning the raw meat diets without examining the subject in a critical way. And, there are others that act as nutrition consultants... bearing in mind that "Nutrition Specialist" is a meaningless title with no certification required. I don't say this to insult anyone, but it is something that consumers should be aware of.<O:p</O:p

Unfortunately, the raw meat diet manufacturers and authors of books providing home-made diet recipes base their opinions on the concept of what they assume is the "wild dog diet". They seem to disregard the hard scientifically proven facts and statistics about the typical health of a wild dog due to it's diet, and injury and deaths to both wild and domestic dogs directly related to consumption of raw meat and bones.<O:p</O:p

Furthermore, many authors of raw meat diets or makers of such a diet present ludicrous unsupportable claims as fact, such as these:

(1) raw chicken and turkey bones will not splinter (in fact, they are the most common bone to kill a dog).<O:p</O:p

(2) pasteurized products contribute to arthritis.<O:p</O:p

(3) mixing proteins causes gas in carnivores (dogs are omnivores, as are humans) as well as an acid condition that may lead to disease.<O:p</O:p

(4) grapefruit seed extract and/or fruit sugars will kill any dangerous bacteria in raw meat.<O:p</O:p

(5) beta carotene and vitamin A prevent cancer. None of these claims has been demonstrated to be true, nor are they widely accepted as even possibly true.<O:p</O:p

I was appalled when approached by a few of the raw meat manufacturers/distributors with the enticement that "you can become a millionaire selling this stuff". This is not to say that each and every person advocating this fad has money as their prime motivation, but it certainly seems rule, not the exception. There is nothing inherently wrong with making a profit, but it is wrong to make a profit selling dangerous products and ideas at the expense of our animal friends to unsuspecting, well-meaning dog-lovers.




If someone decides to go the BARF way, they should first educate themselves in the proper balances and minimum requirements (Calcium/Phosphorus, Zinc/copper, , learned the nutrient value of each part of the feed, digestibility of same, etc.). All of this has already been done by the kibble companies whenever a AAFCO quality statement is provided (Fed tested is much better than formulated tested).

LMAO! table scraps man! Now the better question would be, how long did the dogs live back then? Not as much as dogs do today, that is for sure. Granted, improvements in medicine plays a part but if the dog is healthy through a well balanced diet, it will not need medical attention.

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Now on the subject of bones. I was all for giving raw bones to dogs. Now, after careful observation, I feel that giving bones of any kind has the potential to injure your dog in the same manner. Has anyone looked at a dog's stool after eating bones? It is not fully digested and many times comes out the same way it went in. Very dangerous.<O:p</O:p

"Oh, but wolfs eat them all the time". Well, they also eat the fur. What do I mean by this? The fur is used as a protection against the undigested bones piercing/puncturing/getting stuck in the intestines.<O:p</O:p

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How do they help? In the stomach, the fur is rolled around the undigested bones. The remaining feces covers the fur-covered bones which then goes through the intestines.

In addition, teeth get worned out much quicker if fed a BARF diet. This is not ideal for performance dogs.<O:p</O:p

I feed raw and have found a replacement to fur. If you have decided to feel bones (chicken/Turkey/other poultry) to your please allow your dog to eat long grass. I have found that domesticated dogs use grass the same way wolves use fur to protect their stomachs and intestines. Yes, I have actually opened up the stool on many occasions to confirm my theory.<O:p</O:p

I hope my experience with this helps.<O:p</O:p

Regards,<O:p</O:p

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RH

 

the dogs have stop to eat raw meat handred thousand years ago.
their organism are not accustomed to eat raw meat any more.
they cant assimilate it.

!correct me if wrong!

 

That BARF crap almost killed my dog about a month ago. I wouldn't recommend it at all. Stick with good kibble.

 

Well, it is not crap. It must be done with conscience not merely at random. As B stated, it is better than Kibble WHEN done correctly. Most people cannot do so.

 

Tryed my girl on raw she just usesd to pick it up run around the garden throwing it up in the air and rolling on it,we stopped

 

Agreed!! I will NEVER feed another dog of mine crap in a bag. The only supplements mine get are eggs, cottage cheese, fish oil & yogurt. Very rarely do I feed vegetables although some people feed them regularly, whatever you are comfortable doing. My dogs eat the same food my family eats, purchased at the same store I purchase my own. My dogs have never looked better, felt better or been healthier. Before I went RAW I fed a very high quality dog food, only to have it cause problems for my allergy dog. It KILLS me when I see people quoting articles & "studies" funded by dog food companies telling us we are doing wrong by our dogs by not feeding mass produced food. If I can feed a child & manage to keep her alive for 24 years, I think I can be trusted to make my own dog food. Dog food has only been in existance for the past 50 years or so, domestic dogs around 200. What do you think they were fed for the first 150 years?

 

For people who think dog food companies spend millions of dollars bettering there dog food thats why a couple months back nutro let a batch out that killed 30 dogs thats quality huh and do you think the president of Purunia is thinking about dogs when he cashes his $750,00 chrismas bonus the dog food industry is ran like any big corporation today thriveing on profits not customer service they rather spend the money on a pretty bag to make the food more appealing than improveing the ingrediants thats my 2 cents JMO

Pete

 

I disagree...I use to agree but upon more BARF research I came to a friend at Iowa State Veteranary clinic claiming that dogs can also get what humans call "Rabbit Syndrome" or "Protein poisoning" its from people who live in the wild if stranded and have no access to carbs in dense form and eat only meat no fiber or ruffage or anything......yes you can give your dog carbs and fiber from Veggies and fruit...but many plant materials are hard to digest and pass thru with less material and nutrients left in the dog and most of it on the ground....Noodles help, so do Eggs and Cottage cheese for nutrients and carbs... but by the time you create a million dollar barf diet you better hope your dog qualifies for food stamps because you will be spending more for the BARF diet and still need supplements ...their is many kibble brands out there better than a pure BARF diet hands down especially when supplemented with cow bones for EXTRA goodies and nutrients...IMO a premium kibble wit a raw cow bone a week for entertainment and marrow and calcium and dental health...beats any BARF diet exponentially....

 

I agree with Rocky's Human, educate your self, before! I feed B.A.R.F.,and have been doing it for 8 years. Before I started I read everything I could get my hand on. If you dont like nutrition, stick to kibble.

 

Here is a good website concerning dog food

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/

From this page

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=protein_myth

Of course they are talking about Purina and on sale at that but the same can be said for any kibble. Kibble is cooked at extremely high temperatrues, killing ANY vitamins & minerals found naturaly in the "meat" that is used, therefore they spray on chemicals to replace the nutrients. WHy go through all that crap when it is just as easy & TONS healthier to hand your dog fresh, raw, natural meat?