...the STAFF cataylst...

Hey ziggy, glad to see someone else sees through the haze raising off his pile of BS!

 

Hey kid, when you debate with someone, show actual registration papers not some fake made up pedigree from some BS pedigree online service!

 

live by your own quotes, post the actual registry papers of the first x pert dog and ill tell you i got if rom the site, then you say only your records are correct and you know it all in which i wonder if you do as the early part of the century was a vague idea of what i was getting across, the x pert lines foundation being old tudor and henry blood and how later tudor utilizes it for a catalyst to spark discussion...

The funny part is that you claim to be friends with the old doctor and amstaff breeder that fought his dogs agianst monkeys???
Plus you say you had those amstaffs from x pert on your yard, explains your character of taking on x pert staffs and breeding for looks... And you farmes out mr.boudreauxs ox blood which you got and none was said to ever touch your yard??? Years later you want credit...

Whats also funny is i get pms al the time about how you crossed all your old partners and entourage that buys your dogs and know one ahs any thing nice to say, they all give me more ammunition and your post show yur true rusty charcthers,,,ironline c2k/ironmikie...

 

World Of X-Pert - American Staffordshire Terrier

 

I dont know Dustyroad, I get as much merrit from that x pert staff site as I do fron the ofrn club as both have alot of monkey buiness behind them as they both bred gamelines into some form of extinction...

SO WITH OUT FURTER DUE MY FRIENDS, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE IRONLINE TO THE LIST OF STAFFS AS CATALYST....
any good honest bulldogs that have some of that ofrn staff blood in them??? TRUTH HURTS???

 

If I offend anyone, I am sorry in advance. Please take this as simply an opinion of someone who clearly is a self proclaimed breedist.

I have spent a little time on that World of X-Pert website. It bears a very conflicting feeling from me. At first, I was struck by the historical documentation and just how great the dogs looked and how they were bred. I was also struck by the general selection of dogs they were using in the beginning. I wished that there were histories put together on our dogs such as this. It really was a great thing to view.

As I went further into the pages, I could see a slow progression towards something else than what they had began with. After about half way through the website pages, around 1960 era, it was apparent that the dogs had changed drastically. I would imagine that if you could see them move, it would be even more pronounced.

Without the fire that the APBT was forged in, without the grueling physical and mental struggle, the breed reverted backwards.

On to the last pages, where the dogs are very distinct. These are not the same breed, in any way, shape, or form as our dogs. They all started from the same basic foundation, but much was lost. I wonder if they could have known in the beginning what they would end up as, if they would have made the same choices. Sometimes you cannot be objective and you cannot see what you've created.

Is this the future of the APBT?

 

That's what I believe too!. Nice analogy.

 

good post osage and bobm...

 

Seen that long before I ever posted anything! LOL ,
Talking like he's Earl Tudor because of what he "READ ON THE INTERENET & BOOKS" !!
I actually worked every dog in my peds. Belly mates & 1/2 sibblings.
This clown hasn't spent 10 sec's with any of the dogs he talks about. Good or bad!
He's going not just by peds but internet peds @ that!
REAL DOGMEN DON'T TRUST PEDS as is with a bunch of names in there. They know how much papers are falsified!
TALKING ABOUT HIS "INETERNET MENTOR".
I had nothing but REAL LIFE MENTORS LONG BEFORE BILL GATES KNEW WHAT THE INTERENT WAS.
My knowledge comes from real work in the real world.
This jokes get all of his from a .com!
Everything about him is a joke.
IF HE'S BEEN GRINDING 25% of what I did , then why don't he post his BS ?!
He hasn't did anything worth talking about so runs his mouth what he thinks others did.
He wasn't there so he don't even know if 1/2 the stuff he say's is real.
He's just another make believe internet wanna be dogman.
POST REAL LIFE WHAT YOU DID Elias & keep other people names out of your mouth!

 

Some pre-76 bloodlines changed their attitude but still lost "the core family " because of the praises of other post-76 kennels....(f#×c knows what their excuse is??? LOL).

 

^^^ e.g Boudreaux and Patrick ^^^....I think!!!!!

 

Just wanna say i like hicks money, line bred on uncle bud. Frozen semen ? Lol atb

 

ah you can't and never will because there isn't AST in my dogs.
Notice this coward hides behind a fake handle and throws out people's real name?
This kind of fake dogman shouldn't be given any merit to what the idiot writes. He actually believe the crap he reads on the Internet and pedigree Online. This guy is goof.


He tries to pump up bloodlines in the dogs he owns. The joke is, he has no credit for himself. He will be just another forgotten pet owner who talked shit.


There is no facts to base his information off from. He is asked to a scanned copy of a true registration paper and he can't. He has been on this forum for about a year and half and already has more posts then people who been on here for a decade.


He is one of those people who thinks if he talks long enough and loud enough people might to start to believe his BS.


Though at the end of the day, all that matter is;
"Proof is in the Performance".
If he won't bring it, he is like a cur dog who can only sing it.........

 

I am not sure why Lightner abandon the ofrn line and moved on, but...

I dont think the ironline is a staff line at all, just similar in that looks was the first thing they were bred for...

Mike I just wanted to see you were still ticken and didnt mean ffor you to waste so much energy on me, for my entertainment...thanks...

I am sorry for acting immature and felt by knocking your line as you did IBM, that people would see the silliness in both of our opinons...

Not that my opinon counts but I do like what you had going with the ofrn line and see why it might be worth preservation, but sometimes you got to let it go...

All these dogs you mention are dandy, but the gambler dog is the only one in the last thirty years worth mention, so you beat that drum...

Those are my thoughts on this situation, i am glad to get your heart beating agian and hope you outcross your line soon...

I have but a coulpe old house dogs and wouldnt and worth the effort of putting your # up besides trying to prove your superiorty, I am sorry that I drove you to that..

If I did I would be sure to contact the pizzaman, lol...

 

Why do you act this way? You read like a greenhorn. If you really think that way, I'm sure you could find the truth instead writing a bunch of inept statements. You are one of these people if you post a lot or pretend you personally to know a lot, people will believe you. As I.M. always writes "Proof is in the Performance". Find the truth with the proof?

 

your right, it was one of my dumber statements...
but held great value as breeding for color is the same as breeding for a look...
sure if thier value as workers comes first as well as host of other things before the pedigree and color or look, then they might be worthy ...

proof of what performance, theres been no proof for sometime???

sorry for offending all you old family red perservantionist as its gotta be thankless job with very little pay out and countless volunteer time...

 

Another Tacoma staff catalyst, some fine old Corvino blood back and forth whenit was bred to the red devil creed blood...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1707] :: GEORGE'S TACOMA MIKE

With all that corvino blood seemd to workas a fine catalyst with the old Boze grandchampion dutchboys son Smokey, who didnt fall far from the grandchampion tree...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [74] :: BURCH'S SMOKEY (6XW)
If dirty marys granddam goldy also has that old tacoma staff blood as well as smokey and they bred the two with success...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [169] :: PATRICK'S GOLDY
Is that enough of a catalyst???
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [213921] :: BURCH & LEE'S SMOKE

its amazing how in a couple generations you can have a grandchampion smokey or a ch merry midnight, lol...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [382755] :: NUGENT'S MERRY MIDNIGHT*
or with in a couple generations of breeding for looks will make you an x pert also...

 

Gary Hammonds added some staff blood also!

 

Why do you say Gary put Staff in his dogs?