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Tramping on Historic Tradition, and Religion in the name of Political Correctness

Discussion in 'Controversial and Heated Debate' started by olddog, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. olddog

    olddog Big Dog

  2. _braddy_

    _braddy_ Pup

    i get that people dont like being told what to do its irritating, no one like it. Im a normal Christian American, ive served in the military, have a wife and two kids. My religon is based on the fact that God wants people to follow his commands without being forced to...willfully. That why he gave us free will, if God gives us free will who are we as people to restrict others free will? By that i mean we can not force our beliefs on others. So if the Government wants to remove whatever from where ever, it doesnt affect my relationship with God nor anyone else in my family's. Not everyone is Christian....we Christians have to learn to live with that...

    As far as the flag is concerned, if it is a piece of history doesnt it belong in a museum? Isnt it a flag of a defeated "Nation." The Civil War was fought over slavery. The men who died for that flag died in the name of keeping a particular group of humans as slaves. Thats the history behind the flag, i dont understand what isnt racist about that. Either way, we dont still fly the flags of the nations that colonized the US. I dont understand when people say it means something other than what it represented. I dont think you can change the meaning of such a thing, we could change the meaning of a middle finger to i love you and start flicking everyone off, we would allow the swastika to be flown if German-Americans said it stood for German pride. But aside from that like you said its a piece of history and significant pieces of history desreve to be preserved, whether as lessons learned or as inspiration. Now it is where pieces of history are kept, in my opinion where it belongs.
     
  3. olddog

    olddog Big Dog

    Sad! People don't understand how many rights they are loseing and how the religious and moral fiber this country were founded upon are being erroded away! Soon it will be just like Janis Joplin said : "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to loose!".
     
  4. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    We aren't free in the US. Me personally I get a big laugh when people say that the civil war wasn't about slavery and how the confederate flag doesn't represent a belief that whites are superior to blacks. You can't know anything about the civil war and not know that it was fought over slavery, anyone that disagrees only needs to read the secession papers written by each state where it written in plain English that they are succeeding from the US because they won't aloe them to keep negroes as slaves. Even though I personally do think it's a racist symbol I still feel like people should have the right to do whatever they want. I'm not one of these dummies that are screaming for it's banishment and all that because I have enough sense to know that it only means one step closer to taking something away from me.


    It's a hard life, but I'm living.
     
  5. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

  6. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

    And couple other things...the black slaves were superior to the catholic irish slaves bringing 10 times as much money... the irish had to fight just to be considered white...and the irish were the first to fight against slavery in the south.
     
  7. Polar Ice

    Polar Ice Pup

  8. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

    Why do you call bullshit?
     
  9. Polar Ice

    Polar Ice Pup

    Because, my people were Irish, they came to America, some stayed some moved on to other parts of the world and still are. We have no tradition of slavery in our family history, certainly the Irish were treated poorly and many were sent to places like Africa, America and Australia as convicts for minor infringements trumped up as crimes. Some were also indentured into service as house and field staff but making a claim that they were the majority of slaves transported to the new world is a stretch. So I call bullshit on it.
     
  10. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    I grew up here in Texas and to be honest the flag to me is more than heritage depending on who your dealing with I know more than a few people who hang this flag in their yard and some of them are not so bad while some not so good truth its all about the respective person not the flag itself will I miss it hell nawl does it bother me that its there hell nawl I feel to each his own
     
  11. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

    Did you read all the comments below the article. I also come from Irish descent. Try googling Irish slaves.
     
  12. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,

    The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

    The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

    By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

    The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refuse reimbursement therefor, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas.

    These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration.

    When we advert to the course of individual non-slave-holding States, and that a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.

    The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions-- a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

    In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

    For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.

    By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments. They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

    They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

    They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offenses, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

    They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

    They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.

    They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.

    They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.

    And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.

    In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.

    We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

    That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.

    By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.

    For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons-- We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freemen of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month.


    This is why Texas fought the civil war, I'll post the other states later when I'm around better service


    It's a hard life, but I'm living.
     
  13. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

  14. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

    To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland by Sean O'Callaghan
     
  15. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

  16. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

  17. _braddy_

    _braddy_ Pup

    Yea but the truth is conservatives are mad that others are allowed to do as they please now, so they trick their followers into believing this means they have fewer rights. The rights of conservative whites are still intact. You can still fly your own flag, no one will stop you. You can still drink, fire your weapons, and dislike anyone you please...I personally can't, with a clear consious, fight for a mans right to own a particular dog breed, and in the same breath say he cant marry who he wants, or live where he pleases.
     
  18. _braddy_

    _braddy_ Pup

    That post just solidifies the fact that the flag is not an American flag at all, it was waived by states who dissolved all ties with the United States of America. So its like saying the French Flag is a piece of US history because we fought them.
     
  19. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Before the Civil War it was more about states rights! All my ancestors fought for the South! When your state went to war right or wrong you went to war! A large part of South'nrs didn't own slaves, and if they did happen to end up with one it was for mutual survival, and were actually treated like family, A hard scrabble life everybody in most situations had to depend on each other!The big plantation owners were like the Big Corporations of today! I know alot of groups have adopted the Stars and Bars as A symbol of white supremacy, the majority of them are Yankee's to begin with!!! The flag represents two things for me, 1) Respect for the soldier who lost his life! 2) The expansion of the Federal Govt. over states! Now I guess we could talk about the other side of my family, the Cherokee the history of our country has in fact been since the Spanish, taking, inslaving, brain washing, through religion and $$$$$, now the Military Idustrial Complex and bullshit bible thumpers control or Govt. We are now involved in perpetual war, that when you dig deep enough, will see was totally and presently funded by our aliey Saudia Arrabia, I even think if Louis Armstrong was alive today he'd write A song "The Sheepeople Come Marching In" I'm older now but sure glad I was able to live the life I did ( which by todays standards I would be considered A total outlaw) Still hard to wrap my head around these are my granchildren's good old day's!
     
  20. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Chihuahua


    Why do Christians have to live with that? Why don't non-religious people just live with that 10 commandments monument since its already THERE???? It will cost us taxpayers money just to take it down. If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. It seems people are changing things just so they don't offend anyone like not being able to say the pledge of alligance in schools because some atheist kid is fucking offended LMAO. Neutrality is WORSE then choosing a side because neutrality does NOTHING at all while each opposing sides are doing all the work. Here is the thing though those that do nothing by being neutral will get no help in return from either side when the shit hits the fan because you chose to do nothing and remain neutral.


    Why would it belong in a museum? lol A flag is a fucking piece of fabric. lol Only we humans can give sentiment to a fucking piece of fabric LMAO. You talk about free will in your first paragraph yet you want to stop others from flying there flag???? Even groups as awful as the KKK have the right to use the swastika. Are you fucking kidding me about changing a meaning??? The fucking supreme court just CHANGED a meaning to accommodate the term MARRIAGE to accept homosexuals. I guess in non-religious peoples eyes the supreme court is like there version of what religious people would call there GODS. LOL....All history deserves to be preserved by whoever wants to preserve it as history belongs to EVERYONE.
     
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