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i can tel you ....what don mayfield have send to europe have over won al cros family who where send at the same time begining 80 ties
but ....now here its about ..what happen in the usa .....when we al where younger ..but that does not mean its les important .....
on me passed simular stories as to don ......i understand it lol
wish i did not understand it ..but its the truth

 

So they were winning in the 80's, where are they now? And cross families, how do you know the dogs of dons weren't cross families, he got most of his dogs from ET who was known to hang a paper or two??? Also how many dogs where over there in the 80's??


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

i have bought diff family's from don in the 80 ties ..they stil there .....
but let not make it a mayfield dogs topic lol
maverick genes do/did wel also

 

bones for you to say don was known as a cheater and a big one, is something you will need to expand on, the only time anyone has ever tried to make that claim was with bullyson, but you make it sound like he cheated everytime he matched , which if that was the case im pretty sure the don haters would have thrown that one at him a long time ago .


nOW ARE ANY OF THESE MEN SAINTS NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT FOR SURE THERES ONES WHO ARE MORE SLY THAN OTHERS JUST LIKE EVERY WALK OF LIFE FOR SURE.


I don't know where you and others get your info about don not being a good breeder or a failure as a breeder , you do realise that don helped make more yards better when they got his inbred nigger blood don't you , then you have floyds eli , if we could only read floyds mind lol then theres hammonds who had he not got round the back of Mayfield to get the alligator dogs from g gilman , then what would he have had ? then apt Patrick who without tombstone, although bred by maolney but out of tudors baby not gina, was a pure dibo dog , and showed it in his match and more as a stud dog , without tombstone pat would have had less fame , but he at least was clever enough to know good bred dogs like bolio and his tater and faith dogs and was better than hammonds as a breeder in that regard , theres so many dogmen from that era and into the 80s that got blood from don and used it in their program that to say he is a failure is to not know what the hell your talking about, and as for him breeding for money, well I think he was entitled to bred a few dogs now and then, but if you knew don then you knew he wasn't living high on the hog from peddling pups, far from it, you do know that when the Asians came over to buy dogs in the 70s they went to don ,and he didn't have anytihng to sell them and he sent them to carver and hall etc the real peddlers of the day back then, and Floyd sold many more dogs than don ever did, don never had a huge yard of dogs, and theres many who had to wait years to get a dog from him , he wasn't like some who have the conveyor belt ready with whatever ped you like on them so before you go insulting don make sure you wipe your ass clean bones because you obviously still pooping in your diapers from how you write about the history of these dogs and dogmen.

 

CIK lol my ass is clean. Idk about where your at but here in America we shower daily some times more than once and use fresh TP.
Yep your right I didn't know Don personally or his history with the dog. I wasn't born when Don was active nor Jeep. But Jeep blood is still winning.
I just go off what's been written by Don , other Dogmen with first hand experience and ppl who actually knew Don. Did you ever shake his hand or drink with him? So I'll take the opinion of ppl who were actually around the man. WTF I'll belive you over them in regard to his reputation and cheating. I don't believe Don rubbed Bullyson given all the facts.
His own motto on dogs an breeding say's it as plan as day "the test of a family is time" well it's been a pretty long time. That's why I say his breding theory is junk. Breed the short legged blk dog to the long legged brown one. How's your ...I mean Don's dogs doing for you the last 30+ ?
Ppl seem to be having success with Gary's dogs. Hell even with all of Carvers known paper hanging his dogs are still out there working an winning in this aera. Although not breed by him personally of course.
I don't blame Don as a dogman or breeder. I blame the F-tard who were entrusted with Don's great breeding wisdom for not listening to the Guru. Not saying you CIK or Key. It's been suggested . I'll buy one of these mystical (75% DM blood) creatures and treat him/her like all my other dogs an let the truth be known. Like the old (before I was born) saying goes "the bullshit stops when the tail gate drops"
CIK/Key You have anything... I need a pup so I can raise it

 

bones so you cant tell us what your busom buddies who knew don told you about his cheating ways, because the only thing I ever heard about cheating was the story about how don might have been involved with rubbing bullyson ,if he ever was rubbed, but I doubt it like you do, so please rather than throw insults at each other can you tell us how don cheated and whom otherwise your being very vague, and vague usually means not sure .


As for the great gary hammonds lol well my point is that his start with good dogs came when he got his alligator dogs from gilman and Mayfields breedings via gilman, and he should have sent out some good dogs ,they were bred right to start with ,along with many others who had dogs from don and made their own line using them, so like many things in life , it depends who you hear things from depends on what they want you to know , and if we don't look for ourselves, then we can never be really sure if there telling you the truth or not , and if you've been told or believe dons dogs were not important to the game, then you've been lied to ,and probably by the very ones who have his dogs in their own line , whether you see it in the peds or not .

 

SEF has some great insight on the Boudreaux dogs but as far as Duhon goes he was a fantastic breeder. To say his percentages there is selling the man extremely short. Duhon was very hard on his dogs and made no excuses. He culled a ROM dog of his for quitting in a yard accident.

 

Key You have anything... I need a pup so I can raise it
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bone a friend got some .....put you on waiting list....wait for pm

 

Better a busom than the tip of a dead man's prick lol few small examples from a tit or two. Dropping BB's in the ear during the wash , poking fingers deep into the eye's or squeezing the balls while drying the dog. Remember I wasn't born during those time so it's second hand info. Now these are nowhere near the high profile "cheats" as a rub. Plus these wheren't against the great Bullyson. On top of the fact if the second didn't catch it or anyone else directly involved , it wasn't anyone else place or business to mention.
After the "Hank" situation who could get papers ?
Before Hank who had Don's dogs with or with out papers ?
When did Don start selling the public ?
Before or after Rod K. ?
Can you give proof on the claims about "Maverick" , DOB , DM hand written ped or a ped period ?
I only ask these questions because I didn't know Don personally or via a chat board nor a telephone or letter. You and Key are the foremost authorities on Don's dogs past and present. Please enlighten me on what I should be more selectively choosing to believe in regards to Mayfield.
If Gary got curs how's are those straight ? And to still be competing based of curs as Don claimed is short of phenomenal breeding lol

 

I actually enjoy the history you bring to the table Elias keep it up and don't worry about the other guys

 

Bones I don't want to be rude , but you have gone form one thing to another IN YOUR Post like a drunk driver.AS FOR YOUR BUSOM BUDDIES STORYS OF WHAT DON MIGHT HAVE DONE AT WASH TIME, WELL IF HE DID DROP BBS INTO A DOGS EAR, IM PRETTY SURE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SPOTTED BY ANYONE PRESENT, AND THE DOG WOULD AS A NORMAL REACTION SHOOK ITS HEAD VIOLENTLY , AS FOR SQUEZZING A DOGS BALLS LOL HOW IN THE HELL WOULD ANYONE KNOW IF DON SQUEZZED A DOGS BALLS , UNLESS RTHERE HAND WAS ON DONS TO KNW WHAT PRESSURE HE WAS EXCERTING AND HOW WOULD YOU NOT NOTICE HIM POKING HIS FINGERS DEEP INTO A ODGS EYES WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPPONENETS SECONDS WATCHING YOU LOL PLEASE BONES YOUR STRATING TO SOUND LIKE A MAN MAURICE CARVER WOULD HAVE LOVED TO TELL HIS STOIRES TO AND BELIEVE HIM LOL , THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT ABOUT PEOPLE TELLING THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE EARS OF BEGGINERS AND WILLING MINDS LOL .


AS FOR HANK IM NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, EVERYONE KNOWS THE HANK STORY AND WHY DON WITHELD THE TRUE BREEDING OF HANK FROM VERNON BECASUE VERNON DID NOT STICK TO THE DEAL , BY THE WAY THERES ANOTHER TOP DOGMAN WHO USED DONS BREEDING IN HIS LINE OF DOGS OF WHICH HANK WAS ONE .


AS YOU SAID YOU WERENT AROUND BACK THEN , SO WHAT DON REGISTERED OR DIDNT DOESNT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE BILLY THREAD , IM NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANT TO IMPLY .


AS FOR WHEN DON STARTED SELLING TO THE PUBLIC, WELL I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT DON DEALT WITHIN THE GAME, HE WASNT A SELLER TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE UNTILL HE RETIRED FROM THE GAME, MOST OF HIS DEALING BEFORE THAT TIME WERE WITH THE CORE OR MEN AROUND THE CORE , AGAIN IM NOT SURE WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH BILLY , HE SOLD SOME DOGS OVERSEAS WHILE STILL IN THE GAME , MAYBE INTO JAPAN , AND KEY GOT A COUPLE ,BUT DON SOLD VERY FEW DOGS COMPARED OT HIS CONTEMPORIES ,
AND KEY CAN TELL YUO HIMSLEF HOW LONG IT TOOK HIM TO GET DOGS FROM DON AS DON DIDNT BREED FOR PEDDLING TO THE PUBLIC WHILE ACTIVE LIKE MANY DID AND STILL DO , OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE GOT ALL THE DOGS HE WANTED WITHIN WEEKS OF ASKING , SO AGIAN IM NOT SURE WHY YOU WANT OT IMPLY SOEMTIHNG ABOUT DON AND SELLING TO THE PUBLIC, WHEN THIS IS ABOUT BILLY , BUT I HOPE IT HELPS YOU OUT .


wHY ARE YOU MENTIONING MAVERICK , YOU HAVENT EVEN DEALT WITH BILLY AND ELI YET LOL AND YOU WANT TO GO ONTO MAVERICK, AND WHAT DOES MAVERICKS PED HAVE TO DO WITH BILLY FOR NOW ? HE WAS A DOG THAT WAS BELIEVED TO BE BRED BY DON OR FRoM DONS DOGS VIA NORMANN KEMMER, WHO HAD SUPPOSEDLY SOLD FLOYD MAVERICK AS AN ADULT DOG , AND SO FAR AS PROOF , WELL BONES THERE IS NO PROOF THAT YOU SEEM TO LIKE ,AND IF YOU DONT BELEIVE THE BILLY /DIBO DEAL, THEN IM PRETTY SURE YOU WONT LET YOUR EYES AND NOSE LEAD YOU TO THE TRUTH , AND THATS FINE, SOME FOLKS CAN LOOK AT DOGS LIKE SCRUB AND CANDY AND STILL THINK THAT ELI FAMILY CAME FROM THEM, AND SOME ONLY NEED TO SEE THEM AND THAT FOTO OF SCRUB QUITTING TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND NEVER EVEN KNOW THE DOBS ETC THEY JUST KNOW .


bONES YOU SHOULD BELEIVE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT BASED ON WHAT UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE, I THINK MY PREVIOUS POINT ABOUT SOME MEN CAN SEE WITHOUT SEEING TO KNOW WHATS THE TRUTH AND WHATS A LIE, THEY DONT NEED THE MAN WHOS LYING TO ADMIT IT, THEY JUST KNOW IT, NOT FOR ANY COURT TO SAY SO BUT FOR THEIR OWN PEACE OF MIND, SO WHEN CONSIDERING DONS WORDS , USE YOUR MIND TO FILTER THE INFORMATION , AND AS I SAID IF YOU BELEIVE ELI WAS OUT OF SCRUB X CANDY AND NOT CRYBABY X COTTON , OR BILLY BEING OUT OF DIBO THEN THATS FINE, BUT I WOULD ASK THIS , WHY DID FLOYD NEVER BREED ANY ELI S BEFORE ELI CAME ALONG , WHICH WAS AFTER DON LEFT CRYBABY AT FLOYDS YARD,IS IT JUST A CONICIDENCE OR IS THERE A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IF FLOYD AND BILLY HAD NEVER PRODUCED ANYTHING OF NOTE OR A FAMILY LIKE ELI S BEFORE, AND INFACT HAD PRODUCED DOGS LIKE SCRUB, WHO LOOK NOTHING LIKE THE ELI FAMILY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIRED, WHY NOT BEFORE ? ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE I KNOW, BUT LIKE I SAY BONES WHAT IS MORE PROBABLE?


AS FOR GARY STILL PRODUCING GREAT DOGS, WELL IM NOT SURE HE HAS IN A LONG TIME, BUT I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME, , GARY BEFORE HE WENT BEHIND DONS BACK AND GOT THE BEST DOGS HE EVER HAD FROM GILMAN, WAS A MAN WHO WAS KNOWN TO TAKE OTHERS CULLS ,AND HE ONLY STARTED TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF WHEN HE GOT THOSE FANTASTIC ALIGATOR DOGS FROM GILMAN AND MAYFIELDS BREEDINGS , AND DOGS HE HAD BEFORE BECAME A THING OF THE PAST , AND WAS ABLE TO PUT OUT GOOD DOGS FROM THOSE DOGS ,BUT IF YOU THINK A MAN LIKE GSRY HAMMONS IS TO COMPARE TO DON MAYFIELD THEN THATS JUST YOUR LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING TALKING , AND THAT BONES CAN ALWAYS BE IMPORVED UPON IF YUOR WILLING TO THINK FREELY .

 

i enjoy it to but it seems to me frank that some folks are particular about what history they want ot engage with , and have a porblem with what the other guys say when faced with the overwhelming fact that they may be wrong about a hero of theirs ,
but i hope you are also enjoying what i im trying to do which is get us talking about these dubious dogs inthe history of the game .

 

'Ppl don't recognize the dog Don had breed when active , They were more focused on his conditioning'
This got me thinking we all know don was a top conditioner at the time and was probably the best around. I was thinking maybe don didnt get as much credit as he should have as a breeder based on the fact that his conditioning was so advanced at the time , (I know i read and article about this somewhere once or twice). Now this could be argued and i would like CIK and keystone to let me know as well because they seem to be very knowledgeable about Don's breeding. However, the other side of the coin must be examined that maybe Don was using subpar dogs but was winning with them based on conditioning and that is probably why people dont recognize the dogs he bred or was breeding at that time. This is just food for thought and I wanted to get some opinions from some knowledgeable people.
Sorry if i hijakced the thread but the conversation was going good on this thread.
Thank you for replies.

 

respect for earl but
don beat earl in both ways ...condition / breeding
after he went trough the core ....winning with good and bad dogs
he understood how he wanne breed

 

This is maybe the funniest comment on the thread


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

:lolup::lolup::lolbangtable::lolbangtable:^^^^^^..rlol......lol.......lol.....

 

thank you cajun ......

 

Mayfield better than Tudor?? I'm gone fire up the blunt to that........ Key already high, I'm tryin to catch up!!

 

Mayfield better than Tudor?? I'm gone fire up the blunt to that.
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good idea.......

 

Sad, truth is this water has gone under the bridge so long ago it has no relevance other than conversation and argument and it seems to mostly become argument, due to lack of any credible facts. Either way, the breeding being argued here does not matter today(why?) because real dog people have taken some of those dogs/families into the future and done well and produced good dogs, in some cases have used these "controversial lines/dogs" to produce their own families which in turn have done well regardless of the what the papers say or don't. Dogs do not read,or care.! Seems that most of what is being argued is whether these men sales pitches were "truth" or "lie"? again, I say why care, move your dogs into the future and all else will speak for itself, that is if it even needs saying at all. If you are trying to use the past as your sole selling point today, well then you may have a sales problem and your dogs/line/family will have one of longevity(you can get on the net and snag newbies and paper chasing pup peddlers with slick talk and rumors and that road only leads back to your own ass), The proof should be the performance, all else is mere talk, which is cheap even when it is worth a damn, which is seldom..of the two lines mentioned which has the better % today, that should be the only real question, because it can be seen, and answered and built upon and is based on performance. JMO