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Raw Food Picture Thread

Discussion in 'Photography, Artwork & Videos' started by Beatrix Kiddo, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    How is it processed when it's simply ground down bone. It's not cooked or treated in any way. What else is in Bone Meal? Because from what I read and see on the bottle. Only ingredients are "Calcium" and "Phosphorus". 1600mg of Calcium 400 of Phosphorus. And it says, made from natural bone and hooves "No additional additives". So I'm confused on how it's considered processed by you and has other additives in it when theirs only two sources giving two minerals. And I do not give my dogs protein powder, it was merely a example. But if they need more protein I supplement RF1. Higher protein concentrate aswell as other key vitamins and minerals. Expensive but great product. Either way, I've got dogs ranging from 1.5 to 7yts old. They are pillars of health and structure. Over calcifying will cause joint issues. No problem with that here and check out to be in very good health by the Vet. "Whom recommended bone meal" as a supplement to Raw Bone.
     
  2. bukskin.banks

    bukskin.banks Big Dog

    Not lookin for trouble here haha. I know dogs are diff, but protein powder for humans has a big big advantage of being absorbed much faster than eating a chicken breast or a red meat. I believe bone meal in a moiste meal would digest much easier and faster for a dog then a whole raw bone. And because it takes less i think its digest easier as youd feed less and the dog would have to digest less ... Bone meal obviously doesnt hold the same nutritional value but i think it could still be more beneficial in certain situations.
     
  3. bukskin.banks

    bukskin.banks Big Dog


    Exactly. No problem giving bone meal as long as the first couple ingredient on your feed isnt a meal as then you could be giving too much calcium. I think? Right? Lol
     
  4. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    You really need to work on your reading comprehension. Heat sterilized, it changes it. Cooks it if you will.
    Its processed. Lol.
    Again, read my posts. Did I say anything about additives?
    Its really a pointless overpriced product when you understand what your dog needs for the task at hand and provide it in the whole food sources.
    You don't need to supplement bone meal if you are feeding a proper raw diet.

    Just like kibble digests faster than raw per a recent experiment using xrays and both kibble and raw meals. Processed things do break down and pass quicker than a fresh food, but over processed food items do not always get absorbed by us or other animals because of what goes into getting them processed.
    Some things, like vegetable matter, need to be processed in some way for a dog to use. Bones and meat are not in this category.
    Certain situations, like a dog that cannot eat whole raw bone or a dog who's owner does not have a grinder to grind up the whole bone to easily edible sizes, but bone meal is not the first option people should look into. A grinder or finding appropriate sized bones is the better option.

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  5. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    Well, it's intended for raw feed. There would be no reason to give it with Kibble. As kibble supposedly has everything the dog needs. But when feeding raw, and feeding meat without bone, the dog will need a calcium source. Therefor bone meal would make a nice supplement for a calcium source. You can also use ground down egg shells. I believe one egg shell has close to the recommended amount of calcium. The dog will need 800-1000mg of calcium per 1 pound of raw feed (meat). Calcium in bone meal is accompanied by Phosphorus and should be a 2:1 ratio. For instance the FDA guarantees 1600mg Calcium and 450mg Phosphorus in the brand I use. When you buy bone meal, buy it at a health shop. Their is a bone meal that is for plants but contains additional additives that are toxic. Hope that helps Buckskin.
     
  6. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    You could, and I have seen many, use it in keep with kibble...
    With a proper raw diet containing appropriate amounts of muscle meat, bone and organ, a meal containing no bone will not throw off the calcium balance, unless you are never feeding bone at all, but that's not a proper raw diet at all.
    Whole raw eggs are given by almost all raw feeders.


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  7. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    My reading comprehension is just fine. I wouldn't be where I'm at in life educationally if it wasn't plus there would be a lot of dead people in the world. But, every thing on earth has a combustion point. To heat and sterilize does not mean reaching combustion point and burning off trace minerals. Sterilization can happen at far less degrees Fahrenheit versus reaching combustion temperature And burning. There is a MAJOR difference between the two methods and terminologies.
     
  8. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    And after "sterilization". The FDA guarantees 1600mg Calcium per Tsp. so, 1600mg is there regardless. Which is in higher concentration than bone in its normal state. Hence why you only give a Tsp.
     
  9. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    Did I say anything about it burning off trace minerals? No.
    Heat sterilization makes it harder to absorb for the dog.

    Similar to say, cooked bone not being digested by a dog either.

    I'm not doubting the fda certified amount of this or that in the powder. That's moot if the dog cannot use it due to the process it undergoes to be deemed safe for human consumption.

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  10. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    If we can use it, a dog can use it. Their acids can break down much more than ours can.
     
  11. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    No, that's not how things work G4G.

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  12. CHAMP

    CHAMP Big Dog

    Ummm......you sure you don't wanna rethink that statement a little bit? Maybe take a moment to do some googling? I'm just saying, a K9 nutrition sage, such as yourself, should definitely know better than that, lol

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  13. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Give your dogs naproxin and let us know how it turns out.

    As far as food, there are many things that their systems just cant handle. Chocolate, grapes, rasins, alcohol, avacodo, onions, garlic, coffee, tea any form of caffine, milk, dairy products, macadamia nuts, gum, candy, peaches, plums etc.
     
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  14. CHAMP

    CHAMP Big Dog

    Also many things they can break down and absorb.....raw vegetables......
    Lol

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  15. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    Well no $hit Sherlock lol. Are we talking about "BONE" or flipping chocolate here??? Last I recal we are discussing "BONE" so my response reflects just that..."BONE"! Lol. And you may need to reflect, I'm good! Veterinarians "WORLD WIDE" prescribe and recommend "BONE MEAL" for a viable calcium supplement. Including my very own "Veterinarian". Which I'm 100% sure is more educated on animals than either one of you scholars. "BONE is F-ing BONE" nomatter how you serve it. Scattered covered chunked or diced it's Flipping "BONE" with calcium which is what mineral you are trying to get! Once again, the entire veterinarian world and the medical world, the entire FDA and scientific community is wrong but you two "Wizards of all things Knowledge" are right. Lol. I'm totally done with this belligerent and blatantly ignorant conversation. I can lead a horse to water but you can't force the sucker to drink. Lord! Bless um!
     
  16. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    G you should realize what a veterinarian recommends for anything to do with a dogs nutritional needs should be taken with a grain of salt.
    Veterinarians are highly uneducated in the nutritional needs of animals. Its a minimal part of their schooling and is funded by big name dog food companies. So its generally best to ignore what they say as far as nutrition is concerned.
    No G, bone is not just bone when its been cooked and processed. It doesn't get absorbed like unprocessed raw bone.

    Why are you getting so pissy again?

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  17. pookie!

    pookie! Top Dog

    As for dogs digesting what we digest the exact same or better because of their stomach acids or whatever, no, just no... If dogs digested things better than us then they wouldn't need their plant matter blanched and pureed to be able to benefit from the nutrients

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  18. Game4Glory

    Game4Glory Banned

    what part of cooking off bacteria and cooking out nutrients do you not understand? Bacteria and Nutrients/Minerals have to different combustion points. A bacteria dies at X* Fahrenheit while a Nutrient/Mineral cooks out at Y* Fahrenheit. So along as you stay below Y* in degrees farenhiet you are not cooking out crap! Hence, why after it is so called "cooked" as you say that the FDA test it in a flipping lab and still guarantees 1600mg per Tsp. lol wtf do you not understand about that??? If it was "cooked" out how do they still find 1600mg per Tsp in there afterwards??? And a vet knows nothing about a Diet? But they taught you all you need to know in high school about a animals diet? Pshhh...please! You are so full of crap chic. You have a answer for everything! Good thing your on this forum because we wouldn't have answers at all for anything. Anybody got a question about anything in the world just ask lil Pookie there. She got the answers I promise! Don't matter what it is you need to know! Lmao! I'm dead! Lmao! Done! Lol
     
  19. old goat

    old goat CH Dog

  20. Augustus

    Augustus Big Dog

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