Bloodlines with heaps of finish?

Is there any bloodlines/ breeders known to have dogs the more consistently produce dogs with proper, effective finish?

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I've heard eli dogs are known for that.

 

I don't think there's no breeder of today that breed for finish are produce any that finish in the US bloodlines are all about blue color from what I heard

P.S. you forgot to say entertainment purposes only :biggrin2:

 

No i want them to finish pigs quickly. Where i hunt, it takes 30 to 60 min to get to the dog so i was hoping i could breed dogs that do the job before i get there.

 

There are dogs form a variety of lines that "finish" however I am not sure that the lines do it "consistently" based solely on the bloodline, a few out of a breeding may show this and then maybe none the next time, or half a litter do and the other half not..it is something to look for and add to the list of things to strive for, however, I am not sure it is totally a genetic trait, it seems to sometimes be an attitude or personality of the individuals, as one may creep up in a line which is not known for this trait at all, but the dog just knows what he/she has to do and they strive to accomplish this goal. There may be one or two finishers from every bloodline?, and while some lines may throw it more than others it may also be who bred them and the schooling more than which bloodline the dogs come from. This trait is as elusive as any other gameness, mouth etc, possibly more because finish is not necessarily necessary.

 

Agree with this statement.
I believe with most people thinking getting a dog from a single line will automatically produce that trait ,where as it may be more of an individual from that strain.
But to also ad that I lean towards prey drive, Ability , & early finishers far more than those that are just game.
Early finishers force there competition to actually quit early without doubt of victor where as they other is more of the old Rocky Balboa mind frame of who can get hit the hardest & still stand up.
Prey drive vs gameness are not always the same in others eyes.
So breeding towards those that have ended it quick vs those that have won over a long time is now ,what has been & what will be always the main focus in which I make decisions on what to breed.
I don't breed the same dogs as every one else ,so if another person chooses differrent traits so be it.
To each his own .
You can't beat natural high prey drive .
I love a head dogs over every other thing after one that goes strait for the wind pipe of a wild hog.
My concept is not about who can take it the most but who's going to finish it quick.
Mike Tyson vs Rocky Balboa type of thing.
The more you breed around the dogs the more likely you'll get those exact same traits.
You know me, mr show an example, but this is not only a 1/2 bro / sis on a quick finisher, Johnie Rock Head who never had competition go past 10 min.
He would eat out the mouth & live in the throat of a wild hog so quick & intensity that all hit the wall as soon as a chance arrises.
If he went to the styfles unlike most he would go strait for the genitals not the legs.
Real nasty dog in every sense.
But was not a bone crusher as far as mouth goes. Probably couldn't bite threw wet tissue on a windy day. Just shows that you can still come out on top with out a hard bite.
If he was a little younger , he should have been sent to American Hoggers chasing wild hogs.
But Johnie's double bred son ,Slim Jim, born with a good mouth & stronger than his sire, went 45 min otc to get the same result. Making competition quit long before they got tired.
Johnie has been line bred for "7 generations in that breeding.
That takes work to have the same dog for 7 generations, but the gene pool producers more like dogs .
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=427582
Find a dog you like, not story you heard & just take your time & breed around him.
Chances are in time you will get the result you desire.
This ped is shown to those that see pics of that breeding they are identical to johnie as he was @ that age. The Parents have the traits of johnie & so on.
Hand pic your traits . 1 dog @ a time.

 

finish is hard to find in these dogs good luck on your search there is no recipe for it they either can or more then likely cant.

 

I hard the Ironline is about finished, any thoughts on this bloodline???

 

A dog is finished when it stands the line. Also finished when it runs away.

They either stay with a task or they don't. Every dog is different, regardless of whatever "bloodline" someone peddles. I mean, who would breed for dogs that don't "finish"?

 

................sigh.................someone needs a hug....

 

I don't know what you are talking about. I'm after a dog that can finish a pig quickly. I'd prefer to stay pure but i think i will get better result by crossing with a central asian or something like that. I think Ziggy has the right idea, catch the pig on the head and then hit the throat when you can. That's what i'm after. Sick of getting to the pig and it's missing legs and stuff. Dog should not touch those parts.

 

Some dogs are ear dogs and others are nut dogs.It helps to start the training early and pull of the nuts and on to an ear or head area to show the dog what to target.Bur if you have an rough crew if you can't get there quick that hog is toast no matter what.I hunt the marsh and deep woods and if run ruff packs.If we don't get there it's not the catch dog we worry about.Its the rest of the crew getting down on the pig.A good catch dog should not let go once he catches.I have had to go under water to save a good catch dog cause he would not leave the hogs ear once caught.Bottom line is you finish the hog not the dog.

 

So you want a dog that will kill a pig but won't start eat the limbs before you get there? In my opinion, that is beyond a "bloodline" and would come more from the individual dogs and how you teach them. Your looking for a specific kind of finish.

 

I have bred & still do breed for styles.
From start to finish with this family ,these dogs have been consistently "BRED AS HEAD DOGS".
Some got of track to a degree when added new families but over all will still go for & stay on the head from 50- 90% of the hunt.
That's easy. That's what you look for when schooling young dogs.
Does it posses the family trait?
I knew folks who bred for chest dogs. If didn't go for or stay in chest they wouldn't get bred.
That's what breeding for consistantcy means.
You can breed for any style that a dog uses in a hunt easy because I had done it time & time again for years @ least 12 generations with no problems @ all .
Already knowing & seeing the desired traits in a hunt when start schooling out.
If not head dogs for certain amount of time than don't get bred.

When the original blood was a little a 25% in a litter such as Moth Balls, 4 out of 7 of the litter were still head dogs.
But because only 25% a few out of the litter such as Mothballs herself would address the stylfle area more than the original strain but yet still stick with the head 50% of the hunt.
But when crossed back to head dogs in the family , it drew them back to head area.
Crossfire is a head dog but will go a little more to styfles than Johnie because his Dame, Phase 2 is 1/2 bro/sis off Mothballs who hit stfyles as much as head.

That is the whole purpose & why this breeding was done . http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=427582
To add more head dog style to the cross.

But 90% of the dogs bred were bred on performance trait as head fighters in a hog hunt.
Adding more Johnie because it always puts more head dogs into play as it has for years. Want more styfles add more mothballs .
It's just that simple & has been.
All of the Hicks dogs before Johnie were strait head dogs.

The Sorrells just added more finish. The Alligators made them more Rougher.
But yet all were still head dogs. Too much Sorrells & Alligator & the ass end would come into play more than by using less of the crosses.

Even with the Bolio/Butckus/ Tombstone added & the Red boy /Eli-Zebo, we still maintain "Natural Head dogs". If they get of Course just add a little more Johnie because of the old school Hicks on his bottom side. Back @ the head.'

It's natural & is a strong part of there DNA such as color ,size & confirmation. It's instinctive for the dogs to go for the head.


Bred for the head for over 20yrs strait!

Yes dogs can learn new & more skills in actual hunts, but if your some how saying that you cannot BREED FOR A STYLE ", then I strongly disagree with you from someone who has done it time & time again ,dog after dog for more generations than your average.

YOU BREED FOR STYLE.

That's what line breeding & inbreeding does is to compound the in-herited traits. Hunting style is a trait that is easy to lock in. It has been for me for over the last few decades. Easy.

Dogs can learn a lot more in hunting but when bred right the hunting traits will be passed on & by using an increase or decrease in certain dogs you can easily manipulate styles. At lease it has been for me.

Not sure of what you meant so just stated what I knew as fact from experience breeding for styles re-guardless of what style you want.

 

nevr fed a head dog in my life
don't have the feeling missed some

 

I like head dogs for the simple reason. "THAT'S WERE ALL OF THE ACTIONS IS!" If they try to stay away from it chances are they'll not last as long when having no choice but to face it head on.
Head dogs are the pace setters of the event. It's them that are in control.
I love the ones that are more like dentist than everything else.
Take away a mans working tools & he'll never get a job again reguardless of how his last job turned out. So no matter what , his opponent will never be the same or even in some cases able to continue his carrier because of lack of hard ware. So even if they loose the battle , they still win the war.
Too each his own when it comes to dogs or style, But if memory serves me correct, Joe Corvino was quoted as liking " head dogs "them for same reason along with many other famous dog men in the history of game dogs.
Pat Patrick has a quote & article "Ask Pat" , in a Richard Stratton book ,"The World of the American Pit bull Terrier", about the importance of ability dogs vs strait game dogs with out it that's starts on page 102 & ends on page 104.
Ability is what made Tudors Dibo & his families derived from him so great. Yes Ability. There is another book by Stratton tittled "The Book of the American Pit Bull terrier", the one with Mr.Norrods dog maid on the cover, that gives the retrospect of how Dibo came to be a turning point in the breed on page 69.
It states how dogs "Previous to Dibo were bred for "Gameness above all else& were content for ability to show up, But "After" they had seen Dibo ,Post Dibo breeders began breeding for "Abilty" & hope that the dogs would inherit enough ability to carry them".


"But no matter how families were started they all ballanced out in the end to the same.


Meaning Dibo dogs were more bred for ability than Gamness. Researh.
The info is out there.


As long as dog has no problem being face-face with the action in the hunt with a hog then he's alright by me.


Just another reason why I love my head dogs!!!


Most folks tend to use Dibo blood. Another Bred with ability in mind when breeding that line, but only read a portion or misunderstood what was actually being said.

 

Correction. Norrods "Maud", not maid.

 

The thread was titled "bloodlines with heaps of finish". I was trying to clarify what that meant because that can mean a million things, in a million different ways.

Now it's "head dogs who stop when the pig's heart stops".

I'll go with a faster dog just for the sake of a purely hypothetical conversation. I'll go with the one that goes foul and trust my transport to get me there before the boar is devoured. Hypothetically. For the sake of argument why not go with the gut?

 

i don't care how they finish as long as they stay away from the hams and shoulders. those bits are for me.