What should be a good line for me

g'day men,

I'm curious about what line should be good for me.
I'm looking for an all-round sporting dog, docile, good around kids, good housepet because my dogs live inside.
I like gameness but a dog that can live within my pack, I have already a male working terrier and a male lab x dachshund.
I like red pits (colour doesn't matter, but I just like it).
Is Tom Garner a good breeder?
I already sent him an e-mail half a year ago but didn't get any response.
I'm looking for something built like Escobedo : Garner's Ceasar

Does anyone recommend a breeder, that ships to Belgium and is trustable, a European breeder would even be better

 

You're asking for trouble if you're looking for a game dog to fit in the pack you have , unless
you get a cold one and even then it could be a ticking time bomb (he/she would eventually turn, especially in your case)
I think you would be better off with a Boston terrier, English bulldog or something along the line,
I glad TG never called you back because your asking for potential trouble.

I know you would hate if you got a TG dog and was dog aggressive and did something bad to your other two animals, think about that before you make your decision, no one can stop you whatever you choose, but think about it first.

 

I know lots of people with game Staffordshire Bull Terriers that live in a pack of three dogs..
I know fighting chances are high, but I know people with Sorrel and Lonzo pits, a bitch and a dog and they do well together..
Isn't there something with gameness but less dog-agressive?
Strange dogs, idc about them, but my own dogs can't be harmed

 

Not the best idea to get a gamebred apbt to work in your group. Maybe a staff or sbt. People use staffs here as catch dogs for wild hogs. They're bigger than typical gamebred apbt, and posses strength, drive and tenacity to hunt and still work in a group. Google and you'll easily find what you're looking for.


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Get a lab!

 

Get a apbt out of the newspaper or adopt a mix pit bull. You don't want the real deal and you don't need the real deal if its going to live inside around other dogs lol

 

Hey guys I'm looking for a pitbull with gameness whatever that means and even though it's not a pack animal I figured if I wanted it to be hard enough it might just turn out to be one. On a serious note tho, if this is the email you sent to garner no wonder he didn't reply... neither would I.

 

Are you looking for a puppy or a grown dog? Unless you plan on fighting the dog, I don't see why you care if it's game. The only chance you have of a pitbull getting along with the 2 male dogs you already have is to get a female puppy. If you got a female pup you would never know if it was game. So why would gameness be a factor in your choices?

 

I'm looking for a pup and gameness is so much more than the will to fight? A game apbt, sbt,., over here is used for sporting, like I said, springpole, flirtpole, on the mill, hardest hitting, high jump,..
I see the gameness also as the desire to please and keep going for the owner till he says its enough.
So for a competition sporting dog, it's a very important factor.
And aren't bitches been fought?


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That's also why I'm in this forum, I see gameness also as a big prey drive, but please if I'm wrong tell whats the truth


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Gameness in APBT's is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human
virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any
situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in
pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what
allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours,
in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration,
and exhaustion. But it is also valued by APBT owners who would never
think of fighting their dogs. It is manifested in the can-do attitude
of pit bulls toward any type of challenge, whether agility competitions,
climbing up trees, or protecting their family against an armed attacker,
etc. (Yes, check out Richard Stratton's books for photos of pit bulls
actually climbing up the trunk of a big tree in order to nestle in the
branches 15 feet off the ground.)

Generally speaking, a game dog is an emotionally stable, easy-going dog,
especially good with kids. Gameness should not be confused with
aggressiveness. There are plenty of aggressive dogs that are not game,
and there are game pit bulls who are not aggressive toward other types
of dogs. Aggressiveness will propell a dog into a fight but will only
sustain him for the first few minutes. Gameness, on the other hand,
will not necessarily make a dog fight-happy; but if the dog has no
other choice but to fight, a game dog will fight until it wins or dies
trying, and will keep going as long as necessary. Gameness is an inner
quality of pit bulls. There is no way you can tell by looking at a
pit bull whether it is deeply game or not. The only test--and for many
years the main criterion for selecting a dog for breeding purposes--is
actually fighting the dog to see how it stands up to other dogs that
have likewise already proven their gameness in the pit. Dogs that are
emotionally unstable, or that fear-bite human beings are generally not
game. If you want a nice pit, you're generally better off getting one
that has been game-bred. These dogs represent the truest exemplars
of all the best qualities in the breed.






This is where my information comes from, so I'm not wrong?
And I could get a gamedog, if I believe this sources because ti's unrelated to dog-agression


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Hermienator I'm no expert at all, but in my opinion you're perceiving gameness as prey drive. While they are similar traits they are not the same in this breed. I've worked many German shepherds in schutzhund, which is a purely prey driven sport with some defense drive/civil aggression depending on the dog. Whether it's male or female, if you get gamebred dog you gonna end up with problems. My father in law tried that with wild hogs here. Ended up in a situation where the dog hit one his bay dogs and ignored the pig completely, meanwhile the hog was shredding the others and rushed at him


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Gameness in APBT's is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human
virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any
situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in
pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what
allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours,
in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration,
and exhaustion
---- this isa pretty good text book defintion of gameness to be honest to really understand and appreciate gameness i believe you have to experience it as it is something that could leave u speechless, some people have been moved to tears however i never actually saw this personally

gameness is not a high prey drive either, prey drive is unrelated--- cats have high prey drive and I never heard of game cat

a distinction must be made between a gamebred dog--- which is a dog that has been bred from tested generations of dogs and a gamedog --- which is a dog that has proven its gameness

So a dog can be gamebred but not a game dog.

Also for more information all these terms are in the glossary section of this forum and probably have better explanations than my attempts at giving you some info

 

True story, and I'm sure others have had similar experiences. There are plenty breeds very well suited for what you want to do, why not just get one of them and not have to worry about what "could" happen. You're talking about the safety of you and your dogs if you get into a sticky situation in the wild. Why risk it?


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Its hard to understand that I cant have one of my top 3 dog breeds, maybe the number one dog breed but they're so difficult to get your hands on them over here that Ive chosen a working terrier, and because they re better in a pack


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The book of funny q's is open againn....???????..lol..

 

My dad got a big ole tom cat..he has crazy prey drive.

 

....send em a game kitten-mouse-killer.....all jokeing aside in another q 3 hours earlyer you were trying to find out what gameness is+is there game bitchs about....so do more research,,if ya want a bull terrier type dog for what you say get yourself a staff/etc/etc....or a patterdale...esp for hunting