Patterdale/APBT cross pictures

I agree. I do it myself. I have 4 on the yard right now. All pups but I made the breeding because of a dog I bought from Iowa I liked so well. I already own the same blood on my yard so why buy one when I can breed and raise my own?

 

So you made this type of cross before? Patterdale's x apt ?
What was lacking in the dogs you have now that you have to add bull blood to the mix?

 

i have never made the cross . and have no desire too but in all honestly if you dont think that it cant improve or give you what you are looking for then you are wrong . in some areas of hunting size is needed a patterdale may have a huge heart but its ass is sometimes lacking . thats a fact . and adding another 10 pounds to the hunt could help see your dogs home . as far as keeping a BD well friend mine will not share space with them little nippy dogs and will cut their hunting trip thru life very short . if you dont think a bulldog will add anything to them little bad asses well try scratching into one and you will change your mind in a hurry . i have seen very hard and i meen HARD patties that hunt as good as any and as good as they were i can see were have their same traites in a 30 or 40n pound package would be awesome .

 

Like I said they need to find a better line of patts that are working because there is not just bull blood in these little feckers!!! Everybody what's to add bull blood but why so much bull!! No pun intended but why so much bull !!! When must times that is not what needed

 

i see what you saying and i agree . makes sence to me . but its still a process breeding culling and finding that dog that fits your hunt the best good luck to anyone trying it

 

And by the way I run heavy Miner and heavy Rocky with some Hammonds x Reaver's blood which is heavy Nuttall's blood all the way with some Booths and Cloots blood sorry for the spelling but they are what they are and that is a patterdale and if the ones that you are running can not cash the check that they are writing !! Then I should not say any more !!!! But then again that is just my opinion!! Get a better line of patts

 

Sorry man if your patties ain't trying to cash checks their ass can't handle then seems like you need a better line lol

 

It's not mine . It's these guys that have to keep adding this or that to there lines to add what's lacking in there dogs . Like I said why so much bull blood there dogs where not just made with bull blood there is along list of other breeds that went in to building these little guys that contributed to what they bring to the table but that's just my opinion and my dogs don't wright checks they take the Cash!! Lol but I must also say that that not every dog I had was working but the ones who did is what keeps my yard strong and the rest have to go!!! But again that is just my opinion . Good luck to all you guys with your animals in this New Year !!!!

 

Never made the cross until I bought one and liked it. Nothing was lacking in my dogs, my Patts are all hard workers, just small. I just wanted a few more bigger dogs so I can night hunt without worrying about having to dig all night to an armadillo or something equally as worthless. I have buddies who coon hunt and my Pat x APBT dog runs with those hounds and really surprised us all. He still busts armadillos wide open but he is too big to go to ground and for me that is a plus when night hunting. My Patts are out of the same Hammonds dogs as the cross I bought, the APBT blood is different in the cross I made but I am expecting a good result because both dogs work hard. The ground here is really rocky and i'm getting older so I think I will be happy with a bigger dog. My personal stock. I'm retired and hunt often but mostly ground work. Hope these answers were satisfactory. I keep and raise all my dogs. Not a puppy seller.

 

it is any terrier mans right to breed and chose what he breeds using different blood to suit the hunt it is the way that it has been for years alot of the big terrier names have traces of bull blood added to them at some point and all this ped name shit is crap the only person that can truthfully tell you what is in your dog is you or your friend if you have bred the line urself or are in the circles of the people that have bred them.i mysef have great pats which have had for generations and have added wheaten terrier 3 gens ago and also keep pure pats aswell i added the wheaten because its worker to worker in the digging game and people who ponder over peds and purity will lose there line becuse of this as most of the so called big names have like nuttal.

 

When working a terrier or breeding I don't give a dam about keeping pure all I care is that they can get the job done if there's a good greyhound on the yard? Hell I'm using that for rabbits or a good staff? He's going in aswell. If it can work what I'm after then who's to say it shouldn't be done.

 

I am living with Bulldogs since 1982, and with Patterdales since 2009. My home is a dog house. Sometimes I had about 20 adult dogs. Now only 6, because of less time and work for them. In the beginning I had made a lot of mistakes in breeding dogs, but it was never a mistake to breed a game dog with game ancestors, to an other game dog with game ancestors. No matter wich race they are.

 

You are appsalutely right you have the right to add what ever you want to these guys but like I said bull blood was used to start as one of the base breeds for the patts . Now if you need an extra ten or twenty ponds to add for the hunt there are plenty of bulldogs the will do the job just fine and if you are worried about fights while out hunting . Most patts will not hunt in packs maybe in pairs and as young pups but when they are matured and started up on game I find it hard to hunt more than two patts at a time . And I most say that outcrossing is not bad just why so much bull blood ? The Wheaton out cross sounds great !!!! As long as it works who cares!! I guess what I am trying to say is if I want something that hunts like a bull dog I will use a bull dog but if I need a fell terrier I will use a fell terrier just depends on where we are hunting and what tool I need ! To each their own and good luck with what you hunt and feed because at the end of the day you are the one that says yea or nea on your animals.
Good luck in what ever you do
FCK

 

That is the biggest line of crap I have heard from an American about pattys. This is why the European lads hate Americans having their dogs. Bullblood as a base for pattys, never in a million years is this true. Pattys don't hunt packs, lmao, we do it every weekend running 3 to 6 dogs at time with the occassion fight but for the most part, the humble working dogs but not afraid to back up their punch on a dog as much as a coon. Bull blood doesn't need to be added but certain bull blood is an addition but not needed with a well rounded culled line of pattys. Yes to each his own but don't believe everything you see on the net for young hunters with pattys. Yes I have pitter patts but I also have pattys and the best damn dog I have had was a full patty on bred off ability with great culling. Yes their is a lot of pattys from overseas that have the blood in their but many times it was a one time cross some dating back further 50 years ago at the least. Just like good bulldogs, it all depends on who owned them, who bred them and why they are bred the way they are. Not trying to be mean mods but this is just crap!

 

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Ok I said :one of the base breeds :
Now when you and you mates are out running the patts in groups of 3 or 6 do you guys let them all go down the hole at one time or do you let one dog work out the set ?
Do you hunt above ground or below ground with that many dogs?
My self when hunting aboveground it's two patts with one pup sometimes

 

Not that I want to get in the middle of it but I thought it was a very negative rude way to state your opinion.I guess my point is he's not alone there are so many on this site that just want to bash.Even one of the moderaters just goes nuts bashing.
I like the idea of the pitterpatt cuz I love both breeds and like the idea of a 25lb ruff rugged worker.But I understand why others do not like the idea.

 

Every working dog out there was bred to use in the environment they are hunted. I live in Arkansas and it is rocky and filled with trees and roots. A 10 pound dog suffers greatly here when it gets in the ground with a coon and can't be hunted for a while because it is so rocky it takes longer to dig to them. While I believe I need a bigger dog, I still don't want a 50 pound bulldog. My Tuffy dog weighs 28 lbs. Next dog down is 18lbs, and it get smaller from there. Someone in a flat place with less rocks can get away with a smaller dog because you can dig to them faster. There is really no argument here. I breed for my terrain and I am very grateful for my European brothers who put these great dogs together. In my opinion they are the best but this isn't Europe and I need a bigger dog but the fact is, there is no better dog than the Patterdale Fell Terrier to do the job. To add: We hunt 4-6 dogs at a time and tail them out and leash them when they locate and let the primary dog work the sette. Dog aggression is dealt with the entire time they are being raised and we rarely have to deal with it beyond saying, "KNOCK IT OFF!"

 

Fellterrierman , pockets , willypete , and Gypsy boy you all sound like you know what the hell you are talking about bout Picasso you my friend ARE AN ASS HAT!!!!and if that get's me banned so be it !!!!! Hunt your patts hard and ture and the rest goes out with the dish water!!!!
FatCity

 

what this all comes down to is the individual no one will tell me what to bred what dogs i should use or not use and for this to be an argument about breeding to dogs that can do the job for an individuals needs is stupid.pit,staff,wheaten,glen,pat,russel,lakie,beddy,jagged.if it works and works well if it suits ur needs for your work type breed it you feed it.as i said there is not one person american british irish or any other countrie that can tell that the dog is pure papers mean nothing names mean nothing.if your not in the circles of the breeding and even before that were the parents grand parents and so came from u will never know for example the first picture is a patterdale persay as i do not know what is in his line before 4 generations before him but all patterdales up to him now the second pic is his daughter bred out of him to a full bred wheaten terrier now would u say that there is wheaten in her or in the next 2 gens that there is anything but patterdale in the line no cause u cant tell so to say the last time bull was used 50 years ago is wrong cause noone knows