Vise grip's dogs

Are yu selling any of them pm me if so

 

Do you own the sire cause I got a son out of Bolo that's acting real well he is 7 months!!!

 

Dont know how to post a ped but
What so you guys think ? here is the
ped number : 344358
From what i was told there 3/4
Vise grips 1/4 ofrn !

Nmdogs

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=344358

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=285893
CONSIDERRED ONE OF THE BEST VISE GRIP DOGS ALIVE TODAY

 

Thought he has been dead for a year or two now? Shame he was sterile, one of my best friends is super tight with one of his owners..

 

Black Storm and Iron Golem are two damn good looking dogs. Most of Jacks dogs look good I just wonder where are they at now? Always hear about they so great but where, last claim to fame was Ponchoback nearly two years ago, and he beat the same guys twice, who so happen to be same guys he got his schooling with that have a dog who claim to fame is going from 2xw in Mexico to GrCh here.. I know because friend of mines was going to buy that bitch for like $1500 Thn out of nowhere she made GrCh, did hear her besting Ch Blanka who is the camp who owned Ponchoback and even tho Blanka quit she ended up surviving and now she is a Ch being bred.. So many coincidences..

 

Thanks dream pits !

I to heard vengence was sterile

 

Did his yard look like this?
http://youtu.be/Noj7EgiKAZ0

 

Any opinions on blackstorm ?
Or silverback ?

 

I'm really digging silverbacks topside, its there any of that shit that doesn't come from vise grip?



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=42300

 

Vengence was sterile and is RIP my good friend owned the dog.

 

Was vengence sterile from the get go ?

Nmdogs

 

i got to say ca jack educated people on BABESIA

 

It would be hard to beat the same camp twice especially if they were considered to be one of the best.

 

I love how Jack takes credit for Silverback but yet his ped states that it was a collective breeding program of some of the better breeders, all he did was buy a dog and take it to another mans yard to be bred. I remember being told by an old timer when I was pretty young that most men will try and take credit for every good dog they have but those same men will blame the men behind their foundation if said dogs quit or don't turn out. These same coat tail riders always try to be what they are not, try to emulate the old timers and offer advise even when they know jack shit about the subject. I have never met Ca Jack face to face but I did talk to him over the phone years ago and even being 3000 miles away I could smell the bullshit as ripe as a sewage plant. Jack has had some pretty good dogs but IMHO he himself is a joke.

NGK

 

i like this

 

Anybody knows who's active working some cross or line bred Ponchos? The honest ones? I know that Gr Ch MsSerious is the latest good one with a bit on Poncho.. any other else? Tnx

 

Jack and his so called breeding program were an embarassment to the Patrick family of dogs. PUNCHO was a cur and so was TRINX and the brother couldnt breathe long enough to run around the block. That is why Jack kept going back and getting other dogs from that family,always free, and then taking credit. His actual stuff was junk with a few exceptions and a very big sales pitch. HE stole that dog from West Penns widow, amongst his other dog stealing ploys. Jack , a little tiny man with a big fat braggy mouth. We used to call it the Jack fan club, "ME, MYSELF, and I". He apparently was a snitch too. A lot of people went down who didnt agree with him or whom he thought were competition. I would have loved to see him get Garner dogs and do all that. That would have been even more hilarious. Jack picked the best, but then in so doing made a joke of that family of dogs and did everything possible to undermine the breeder and take credit for himself and his dead pal Hollingsworth. Dead men make good foils for lies.