Rampage Ch Ship

Thats real nice!!! Tex-Mex dogs have been competing on multiple continents for years.
Great breeding and excellent to see the dogs are doing what there suppose to.

 

I think I am the one who said that ship also give very bad dogs like every dog I think I am the one who says everywhere that I like good dogs that I don’t care where the dog come from . I believe good dogs are there where they perform in the ring. I didn’t say any off what you said that I said.. but I am honest enough to say I like our conversation…

 

I just made a little effort to what I display earlier on this forum. I just copy past


with all the respect for you , you are knowledgeable dogman i can read that. i didnt never say, people over here knows better, it was my opinion, to tell about spartian kennels they are the only knowns ones who have succes with dogs directly from Chico in this Area than chico him self! Chico lost in same country more than few matches with his dogs against the Russian Kennels . I am telling mr chico lopez his character sucks. If u read my post above good, u can already see i am saying dogs he sold to spartian kennels are now international actieve and good ones.I would never say that Us or Mexico dont have good dogs, i already mentioned at other topic i know few dogmans from Mexico and us i am al ready in talk and i already know Mexico and Us have also realy good dogs i just cant accept if people are saying that dogs over here sucks. Thats not the truth. There is a saying “ good dogs are where you find them” so i think u can find everywhere where this sport is actieve good ones. Alot off dogs from well actieve dogmans are here now. From Mexico , alot off dogs directly from

magia baron, Lpk riffle, black rock, a lot off dogs directly from taurus kennel, a lot off dogs from Mr Geno R.i.P his own stock . Also Some dogs from dsk in Kosovo. Here u can find a lot dogs from Pit Island, Mal Kant, waccawaw , Havana dogs, southern kennel dogs and ofcourse from Mr Tom Garner more i can keep going the reason for this is people over here getting curios especially the ones with the money because they want to have something special and they think they can beat everyone with this dogs from other countrys, they keep working on it until now really the results are not awesome , and about this forum, this forum is amezing, and i think we people over here are lucky to learn englis at school so we can communicate with people from Us and other countrys, i am also on other forums from Balkan . Balkan forums are more for putting dogs open or putting studs or pups. Game-dog com have more stuff to read and to talk. Actually is for my the best forum beside the other i mentioned. I think i speak for my self i am lucky i can follow many dogmans from different countrys so close. Pls dont get me wrong. I am here to share my knowledge and ideas experience and learn more from

The others. Thanks everyone already putting such a lot off open minded information for the apbt fellas. Salute to the everyone who put his effort in this breed

 

@Ssdd actually you and I are sharing the same view about many things. That’s why I keep my respect while I discuss things with u. Many time’s I just keep my mouth shut just because I already noticed the person is not worth to talk. Here on this forum there are names like you I don’t know personally but I respect a lot. I can put names but that’s not necessary the ones i talk about they are smart to know I respect them just because the way I speak to them

 

Some years before Tex-mex dogs are started to lose many shows we didn’t recognize them like we knew before . But last two years you see them more and more and they are doing well. Happy to see this familly don’t get lost.

 

still they mostly done in your area up till now right
honestly when I met the first dogman from that area they talked different

 

I don't have a personal issue with you either. You are a wealth of knowledge from that side of the world and its obvious you're not just speaking to speak. We just happen to disagree about small details on this one topic.

I fully believe there's a dog walking this earth that would ice ship. But I believe that about all dogs. It's all about who is where when and can afford/get invited to play in the same league

 

I can't speak for everyone. Imo when guys over here see hype seround dogs overseas. We tend to have seen it before. Over the last 100 years or so anything that is done outside north America we done it with the dogs already. That's not saying good dogs ain't other places. It's like been there done that sort of thing. I remember shakaloo x ms rage litter and every dog ch/grch same as I remember 15w big bossman and them dogs were in my town and up the road. So personally I don't get excited hearing about overseas only because these dogs are a Coulter here.

 

@ben brockton @Ssdd i understand fully the way u see things. I spoke to Mr Garik in past, this man is a big name in Russia, he is not a easy person with dogs, anytime somebody shows him a good dog he came with a lot of critic. I remember one guy asked him why he was like that, he said if I tell u why u will not believe me , he had seen some very high quality dogs when he was younger in some old hands since then he didn’t see that quality much so he compared every dog he see with that rare exceptional one. Mr Garik is Malaya Zemlya kennel with many winners, ch, gr ch and producers owners off many b.i.s, d.o.y, g.i.s he is a man like that even today if u ask him his best dog he will answer his best dog is average to some dogs he had seen when he was young. Maybe that was the key to Fis succes. If u could speak and ask
rampage kennel he would call him Master. It’s hard to like any dog if u have seen a dog that became your dream dog.

 

Che your dogs are only going to get better. Your competition is going to force them to get better. Nutrition, aftercare, keeps everything over time gets improved. I believe that your good for the dogs.

 

I agree.
.don't take anything I've said personally. If I meant it personally everyone would know it. And if we agreed on everything the dogs would be mighty boring

 

I agree with both of you. I am glad you guys are here on this forum. Share your thoughts with us. @ben brockton thank you for nice words.

 

Absolutely. I think exactly the same about this. That’s the reason also I loved this conversation. Glad to see and meet man’s like you..

 

Great thread!

 

This is speculation by a guy who knows nothing, but recognizes patterns.

There seem to be two distinct phenomena going on here: One, you have a place with a loooong history going back way more than a century of game dogs being matched, tested, and I think constantly improved. However here in America, the laws and culture are such that today if you are associated with this endeavor you will be evicerated, legally, culturally...every way imaginable. Serial killers are higher on the socio-economic ladder. I get looked down upon for owning this breed. As a result, no one says ANYTHING. Not a syllable. This is Texas, which is renown for good dogs......but reported?

Now you have another part of the world. The laws and culture are different (that part of the world had the worst, in terms of war crimes during their not so far off civil war) so today they have more important things to do than go after dog fighting. So you have a very open system where wealthy people spend whatever it takes to win and matches are reported. Of course lies are also told, these are humans. So you have a system that in theory should pit best against best to rapidly evolve.

However, a couple of very knowledgeable board members have pointed out that you really can't replace more than 100 years. Having unlimited money still does not guarantee success. I would venture...again I know nothing, a guess that you do not have the depth of dogs over there as you do here. Really, it takes decades to develop a line.

 

They aren’t starting from scratch over there dude. They’re taking what has been one hundred of open Bulldog development and continuing it. Whereas you guys cannot (to the degree of the aforementioned one hundred years) because of the 1976 handbrake.

 

Ban Greyhound racing to see how many generations before the average dog from Florida can no longer compete with the average dog from Australia.

 

This needs to be pointed out also.... there dogs came from where? Oh yeah here. Like everyone's did. Exactly as you said they're not starting from scratch. They bought a ready made product and kept reproducing it(nothing wrong with it.)

The biggest "USA vs the world" thing is everywhere wants to be the US but hates the US and tries to compete.

 

Well, seems that mr garik know it right...in Europe in the past we had much better than now and in my opinion It’s easy to understand why this happened

 

From England the dogs came to America from there they went all over the world. Dog people here with over forty years of experience who know what a bulldog is and you will also find that in America which is the birthplace of the pit bull terrier as we know it. America is a beautiful country and responsible for the revival of dogs for many years in Europe and other countries. Good dogs are born where people live who understand and appreciate these dogs.