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Rampage Ch Ship

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Steeldog, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. che

    che Top Dog

    Nobody said bully lost so ship never lost too, why u bring things on table that are never said.
     
  2. italianpit

    italianpit Big Dog

    U said he lost with his bully dog and I misunderstood, my bad sorry
     
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  3. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Your homeboy literally said it....
     
  4. che

    che Top Dog

    I can’t remember he said something like that but I assume you it’s not true if somebody say or claim something like that. I am responsible for what I say not what he or other guy say or claim. I am absolutely not the smartest guy but i am not that stupid too. Greets
     
  5. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    Then don't comment and try to strike up conversations with ppl who didn't address you when they're addressing what someone else said. Pretty simple concept
     
  6. che

    che Top Dog

    Maybe yes, maybe not just because I keep posting here maybe it’s smarter to not talk in
    general and better adress to one who claim something like that . I don’t belong to general. I have said many times how I think about on this topic. Here on ch ship rom
    Page and on other topics .so people don’t misunderstand anything wrong… anyway from some point it’s hard to communicate. By the way I don’t adress to you with this because we talked on this page about that .
     
  7. che

    che Top Dog

    I just did read all 13 pages on this topic, I was ready to face my mistake if there was a mistake from my side and ready to apologize but then I noticed there was nothing.there were more speculations, insulting and contempt from others but not from my side.
     
  8. che

    che Top Dog

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  9. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Like I said I don't want to take anything away from ship but he's being bred an outrageous amount of times. He's bound to produce something.
    .I don't care one way or the other about him but he's far from the end all be all and the eastern block is definitely far from the end all be all.
     
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  10. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Awful soft skinned if you feel insulted the rest of the world isn't in love with or shares the same opinion about a dog you don't even own
     
  11. che

    che Top Dog

    No @Ssdd


    It seems to me that you are sarcastic, but no problem.
    None of you has offended me. Really I’m
    Not that type of man. My first reaction was a response to Italianpit and I stand by my words. I just keep my respect firs fully for myself.that’s why I said that I don’t insult or contempt any one or any country I am to strong for that. So I readed and I noticed I kept my respect. I can talk about dogs or all kind of stuff just with respect. I don’t think you have ever been in eastern block you again contempt.
    he's far from the end all be all and the eastern block is definitely far from the end all be all.
    By saying this you are speaking against , good dogs are where you find them.
     
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  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I just read the thread and for all intents and purposes I don't have one in this fight. LOL

    I'm too cheap to ever participate in the import game but I have a few friends who have jumped on the international bandwagon. About 12-15 years ago the Russian dogs were coming here to own the dog market. "No dogs here would be able to compete", as the laws and what could be done there made building dogs much easier. I was interested as I read a lot about the dogs leaving here and going there and then having like 8-10 winners and CH's in a four generation pedigree when their offspring/puppies were shipped back.

    Basically Snooty dogs were far more successful there than here and I have hung my hat on dogs carrying that blood for a lot of years. To this day I am a huge fan of the Snooty family of dogs especially the Mims strain.

    When the Russian craze was coming thru I got the opportunity to go see a family gathering. It hurt my heart some sort of terrible when I paid $100 to see a dog. This titled dog from Russia came with a guarantee (which is about the most stupid thing anyone could ever do with a bulldog). When he was released, he looked really good. He was smart and athletic and talented. He had really good mouth and he won in about 40 minutes.

    I was impressed with that dog. But the funniest part is that I truly felt like I had 6 or 8 at home, just as good, if not better. And as usual, especially back then, I spoke what I felt and I got called out (as it should be). The issue is that I did not have the money it took to compete at that level. They patd much more for shipping dogs than I could afford to bet.

    Several things happened that night to re-affirm my beliefs and dis-beliefs in the dogs. Regardless of country, good dogs are where you find them. And regardless of country, money does not equal quality. And when a certain section of people can't afford to compete it does not mean they can't compete, it means they can't afford to compete. The number of people who can afford to compete at that $$$$ level are few (in comparison) and that total quality slips. Sometimes it is bums beating up bums but they are doing so for $$$$$$$.

    The second thing happened is the crew with the Russian dog were real dog men and they were good people. Just to prove a point they lowered their asking price and six of us pooled our money together and a 7th took care of the majority of the bet. So far out my league it was unreal.

    At 31 minutes they picked up as we were muzzle deep in the puppy producing area and could not be pulled out.

    I learned two more things that night. First, good dogs are everywhere (I think/should have already known that). Second, the game is all about selling puppies not making bulldogs.

    Just chiming in before I crash after the nightshift. I am sure Ship is a good dog. I am sure he will produce some good dogs. I know for a fact a certain percentage of his 'win totals' will be lies and fabrications. I know that to be fact because it is the same with every other dog that has done famous things or produced dogs that have done famous things.

    All dogs quit and all men tell lies. Let that be your guidance and you will go far in these dogs. From there the vicious cycle will continue.

    S
     
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  13. Mrgame

    Mrgame Pup

    Good dog I see that the Tex Mex blood still works great Tex Mex dogs in that pedigree cobra, brute, bimbo, big dogs that are perpetuated over time.

    Cheers
     
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  14. che

    che Top Dog

     
  15. che

    che Top Dog

    @slim12 . I agree with all above except that all dogs quit I think the most off them will quit at some point absolutely you are right about that but many good dogs have proven this way off thinking be wrong. There are dead game dogs that did not quit under any circumstances. I like Mim’s dogs too. I always loved that Redboy & Snooty cross, as long as the combination and selection is right.. there are good dogs downs mim’s blood they are doing well

    https://pedigree.gamedogs.cz/details.php?id=72816
     
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  16. che

    che Top Dog

    Many off his dogs are now in west Europe and east Europe. I think the most are now in east Europe in some new hands ..
     
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  17. Mrgame

    Mrgame Pup

    I would summarize your writing in "no star chooses where to be born" that is, any crossbreed of dogs can bring a star, but many ingredients are missing, health, care, food, school, training, money... etc etc if you manage to gather all the ingredients you will be able to see it shine but it will be a simple star in your yard that will not be able to shine.

    Cheers
    I would summarize your writing in "no star chooses where to be born" that is, any crossbreed of dogs can bring a star, but many ingredients are missing, health, care, food, school, training, money... etc etc if you manage to gather all the ingredients you will be able to see it shine but it will be a simple star in your patio that will not be able to shine.

    Cheers
     
  18. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Itis a debatable point that has no right nor wrong answer and the answer is based solely on one's personal beliefs.

    I think they will all quit. When you find one that will not send him here. I am just about positive I can get stupid enough and do enough stupid things to where he will quit. Can just about guarantee that.

    Some do die while still being game (that is an entirely different subject because anyone that leaves a dog long enough to experience a dead game dog is a dumbass+ as the operative word switches from being game to being dead). One is something good and the other is useless.

    S




     
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  19. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Agreed.

    Some stars can shine better than all the others but if there are limiting factors it will indeed only shine locally in one's own backyard.

    I have learned that I have a huge disconnect when it comes to these dogs and money. The disconnect has prevented me from owning a number of dogs that turned out a 'shiners'. I have seen two go for the CH title for more money than I would ever dream to wager. At the 50 minute mark I would not have given two squirts of piss for either. And seen some dogs straight out of the newspaper that would hang with anything on four legs..anything....anywhere.

    I just chimed in as the Ship debate is so much like the last one, and the one before that and that other one too. Next month, next year or sometime in the future we will be having the same debate about the next great one.

    It kinda sorta keeps the dogs going but it surely keeps the internet going. That is very important too.

    S





     
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  20. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    No I'm not "speaking against good dogs are where you find them" at all. I'm telling the truth and you're in your feelings about it.

    13 pages of posting wins but you never mention any of the loses. Or the ones who never made it out of school. It's obvious you're emotionally attached to the conversation for whatever reason and that makes it impossible to have an actual conversation about ship. You just want to post wins and argue he's the greatest dog to ever wear a collar. When someone doesn't agree you talk about how amazing you are and how everyone else is picking on you and ship for not agreeing.

    You yourself in this thread have eluded to your side of the world has better dogs than anywhere else. Quoting Russ, saying everywhere else has good dogs but yall have great dogs etc.

    I won't reply to you since you're so sensitive about the subject and will just ego stroke yourself to death if I do.

    Good luck with your dogs
     
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