Ed reid

I've just been reading through this old thread and when you read something you just know is wrong well I can't help myself I have to say something. I knew Ed Reid fairly well I didn't just go to all three of his places but he came to my home also. People on here calling him a peddler is a bit strong. As he once said to me "what do people want me to go to all the expense and trouble of importing these dog's and raising them just to give them away? "
As for someone quoting £700 for a pup well the most I ever heard of him charging was £400. I purchased two a dog at £400 and a few years later a bitch paying £350 for her. So that dog cost me less than my weekly wage working on a building site. That dog was out of a direct import. I couldn't get a well bred dog at that time for less. Other people were peddling Reid's dog's for more but I could go direct to the source for less. People were getting 4 or more litters out of one bitch but Ed was only breeding them twice. I could be wrong but I think he only bred one bitch 3 times and that was Beauty. Ed did turn people away if he thought they were unsuitable for the dog's. As for him not matching or testing dog's well it's probably best if people keep thinking exactly that because Ed was and probably still is a hot potato and the powers that be would hammer him and kill his dog's at the first chance they got. Think what you want but I knew him and his kennel hand quite well and I think their judgement on the dog's to be bred was a lot more than just luck. The proof was in the dog's he sold and then what they then produced. Ed had the dog's interest at heart and his a good man and people in the States actually wanted Ed to have their stock because they knew he was good for the breed. I've seen the letters from Bobby Hall and other people offering their stuff to Ed and I could be wrong on this but I was always under the impression that Glen Stubblefield gifted Skipper and Stephie to Ed. Ed new what these dogs were all about and not long before the stupid laws came in he was experimenting with some quite close breedings and he also purchased a bitch from the Scotsmans so who knows what kind of fire crackers he may of produced if it weren't for the 1991 dangerous dogs act.

 

Pure family? No disrespect mate but come on. Reading this stuff about understanding and the purest family is like you must of swallowed up all of Don Mayfields tapes all these dog's Gar Cinnamon all of them ended up in London at some point. They all went to chap I knew when M.D moved on to something supposedly better. The chap in London was a nice bloke and would welcome you into his home to see his dogs and talk the usual crapp all dog people seem to do about dog's so I don't want to disrespect him but every time you spoke to him he would have another one of these dogs and it would be the best in the world everything that came from M.D was the best in the world and the purest of the purest from the Mayfield dogs right up until the two toes and jeep stuff down from the Billy dog that apparently quit. I had access to all and any of that stuff I had the money in my pocket to pay their ridiculous prices and at that time I had kennel space but I didn't touch any of that stuff. Even back then with my minimal experience and virtually no knowledge I could see these dog's weren't in the same class as the Skipper dog's I had. True I never raced a dog in a proper contract race but my dog had done more miles than that stuff just otc and from what I could see that's all they were doing with that stuff just amongst themselves and decideding they've got the best in the world then breeding and selling ker ching ker ching get the money in . Good dog's are where you find them and I had already found them in the Skipper stuff. Imo there was no comparison. I had some Skipper crossed with the Mayfield stuff at a later date and it was as if the Mayfield blood had actually softened the reid's stuff. At best them Mayfield dog's from M.D were game. E e kennels had some of this stuff and they would of got the best out of any blood but I could be wrong but I can't remember them having that much success with the purest of the purest. Back in the 80s I had a building company and all the lads that worked for me see my dog's and then got themselves a bulldog most of them within a month. We raced otc just for fun all sorts and the Mayfield dog's I see could hold their own with some of the old wise blood but that was it that was all they could do. I didn't see the B.J stuff but I was told he was a good dog the problem with that was the same man who told me that also told me that every reid's dog born was a cur and he also told me that no dog not even a pitbull could kill a badger!
Seriously though the B.J stuff may of been good but I never see it. One lad who worked for me used to live down near M.D and he was thick as thieves with M.D s son and he said nothing they had was in the same league as the one or two good reid's dogs that he see years later when around our dogs. When contacting them 15years later through Facebook all they tried to do was sell him a blue staff and apparently they said it was the best stuff in the world

 

Without the matches no apbt simple as that

 

If dogs were never matched , Zebo would never have been end of story

 

Ed Reid

 

The Reid stuff wasn’t competitive enough you obviously didn’t see many Reid dogs my friend try doin some homework before you start discrediting the Gamest line of dogs the uk ever had fact not fiction . Most lines back then had good blood and the Reid dogs were friendly I went to Ed’s place 11 years old first time I went met all his dogs walked rangitang I’m sure if his dogs were people aggressive he wouldn’t let people round them google his video you see the amount of visitors all the dogs he had socialised well hocus pocus stories Ed may of made money but back then they was the cream and worth every penny of £400 what he charged and them 80s Reid dogs would eat most of today’s blood wouldn’t do 15 mins with a skipper bred dog .. hope this as outlined your ridiculas statement

 

Not true

 

They had a lot more than a average mouth pal they could bite hard as any

 

Well said mate all them who say bad stuff about Reid dogs need to do there homework best dogs uk ever had tbh had it all speed ability and mouth and great wind I hear people slag Reid dogs off most of them wasn’t even into dogs back then the others obviously never owned a Reid dog

 

Them mayfield dogs wasn’t even in the same class as the Reid dogs you seem to just be talking off what you been told old guy talking from what he’s seen big difference I myself I always listen to the one who’s seen champion Jacko woulda beat them mayfield dogs everyday of the wk lads round us had them mayfield dogs jacko first roll was with a mayfield dog roll ended in 7 mins another one in the sky as they say

 

I never seen any of them mayfield dogs as i didnt even know what a staffy was in them days lol …. An old fella did tell me the first one that came over here the crate was covered in the american flag lol… i heard they crossed really well though with the likes of grch nikki etc coming from such a cross … @oldguy is that right about the american flag mate ?

 

I traveled to Ireland with Scotsman in mid 80's to visit a man who kept all different types of working dogs, but the bulldogs he fed was pure Mayfield from a guy named John Porter (rip) he owned a 43lb female called Dixie that was a live wire, I saw her schooled and must have tried a dozen times to buy her.. John Porter had a yard full of direct imports off Mayfield, some others that came via Maurice Dann and although (rightly or wrongly) I never thought of John as a 'live & die thrill of the show' type of dogman, I do think he was an honest gentleman who cared for his dogs and played people straight, don't know where his dogs went, or how they turned out, but that Dixie bitch was a real keeper!

Can't say I know much on Mayfield dogs since mostly they was in other parts of the country, I did hear people say GR.CH.Nikki was best dog they saw, but I never saw her and others maybe better suited to comment.. I knew some good dogmen with CH.Neilson x Mayfield crosses, one was a black dog called CB's Billy 1xw, I went into Billy with a son of CH.Yogi (allegedly) and Billy painted the walls with him, stopping mine in 12 mins.. Billy later lost game against NKK's Joe Montana in around an hour. I Played against another Neilson x Mayfield dog with a Nelis bred 1xw, won in 50 mins, but no stopping that Neilson x Mayfield dog, everything a dogman could wish for, would have been proud to own that one too!

Scar Kennels CH Jacko was a once in a lifetime dog.. There's stories on him that will live forever, one of best I heard was when Northern Lad called Jacko a cur because he refused to courtesy against a Mayfield dog, what seemed to escape NL's attention was that Jacko had already won and the Mayfield dog was lying dead in opposite corner, that incident motivated the Jacko v Winger 1xw show and old Jacko killed Winger too.. Northern Lad walked straight over to Jacko's owner, shook his hand, then told him take Jacko to America stating he'd win a GR.CH. and king's fortune in cash!

The Reid dogs were good, game, honest and long winded dogs, no doubt about it, but IMO they wouldn't dominate today like they did in 80's -90's, I was aware of their strength, but wasn't blind to their weaknesses either, the styles of dogs like GR.CH. Setanta and CH.Boon were made for standard type Reid dogs, Bill, Jacko, Hagar etc, all special dogs who deserve their places in history, but anything can happen in a race and dogs like Setanta and Boon could make you penniless and dogless all on same night.. Just my opinion!

Yes @reids skipper I heard stories about Mayfield imports arriving draped in American flag, also heard about Springview returning from trip to Don's place wearing dungarees, a ten gallon hat and talking like them southern boys in 'Deliverance', they really were great dogmen and just being around them created great times, miss them days a lot!

 

Had a dog from John Porter ( Reid x Mayfield ) very good dog but also man aggressive only dog I had I was scared off , he was big too 50lbs pit wt
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@oldguy when you say about setanta and boon … were they just out wrecking machines so them reids wouldn't have stood a chance mate ??

 

Thanks for sharing Dusty.. Think I remember seeing Porter's Ginger at John's place and she might even have been dam to the Dixie female I mentioned earlier, it's all a blur now, heavy drinking, totally pissed, matching game fowl in living room and waking up with one crowing on head board on bed next morning haha! All dogs at John's place appeared to be 50lb and over, but willing to bet someone could have made good dogs out of that blood

 

Sounds like you was there man.. Nailed it

 

Just noticed the sibling to your dog (colgate knls tiber) beat dog called Gator, it was Gator's owner took us to meet John Porter and other kennels in north. Also your dog bred near identical to GR.CH.Shelley, must have been a good cross that one, even if they was sometimes hectic, thanks again for sharing Dusty!
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What would you says the best blood line in the uk now ?

 

Sorry mate.. I don't know what blood is in UK now, don't even know anyone who still owns bulldogs, long time since I was around them, maybe 25 years, still miss them, suppose it shows