***breeder of the century***

i would say it like this there were many inflential breeders but some stood out more and that does not mean they were better but more well known. colby lou and jp. JP created this breed over here along with afew others that were just as good , heinzl was a cut above the rest and he used colby and tudor dogs, and tudor had a few colby dogs himself and also said fighting perter was the best dog he ever saw and he was pure colby. then maurice and floyd took the tudor dogs to the next level along with clemmons. sorrels dogs have also stood the test of time and were some of the best out there then you mave lester who was a great breeder but i do not think he had the impact that the others mentioned did

 

What about Chavis

 

baker davis,apparently he is still kicking,

 

JP Colby, Joe Corvino and Bill Lightner are tops. Do some digging and you will agree. The Rev used dogs from all three. If you believe some accounts he even stole one from Corvino before he left Chicago. Lightner produced two foundation strains. The ofrn line and his later line that Ed Crenshaw and others used. It is said the later line came from Colby. These are the lines more recent breeders perfected to give us the dogs of today. Also Con Feeley has to be given credit, but I don't know too much about his dogs other than they play a big part in Dibo's ped.

 

komosinski/hetrick dogs not around as much where damn good dogs my first dog was bred that way .

 

loposay .....................................so many that made a impact

 

Gotta be carver... the game wouldnt be how it is today without them dogs.
best part is he was the only man who knew what was drivin that truck...

 

People have mentioned carver, hentrick, loposay, Floyd B, patrick and many others. If you look at the better dogs they put out I will bet they all go back to Colby, Corvino and lightner. I will challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

 

Just because they go all the way back to them does not mean they deserve credit for the breeding of those dogs. They didn't pair up the current stock and make those decisions and arent responsible for the chemistry the current breeder created. I do not think corvino is responsible for the barnstormers like eli jr and bullyson and their offspring just cuz his dogs are down the line in the ped. Its the man behind the dog that did the culling, selecting and pairing. I could see if their blood was the one makin the dogs what they are... but shit in most cases like honeybunch and the great dogs she produced... the eli dogs... we don't even know the true ped of them animals. The ped says they go back to them names, but the dogs appearence and the way they act say differently. And if they do go back to them dogs and the peds are true, its just more credit to the current breeder cuz the hard culling and selecting obviously took the dogs a totally different route.

 

Good post :eek: Makes sense at the end of the day

 

Earl Tudor, then Floyd Boudreaux and Pat Patrick.

 

In short you can't prove me wrong. As for your barnstormer theory i will add that barnstormers were around before Eli. Also if you read old interviews most of those old breeders give credit to the three I mentioned.

 

Also barnstormers are known to burn out pretty quick..........

 

Gotta love Corvino...........

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what bout new skool breeders?we've all been mentioning all old skool breeders

 

way to go, you started your own thread making yourself out to be a total tool!

 

1- Mr Lloyd
2- Mr Feeley
3- Mr Henry
4- Mr J.P. Colby
5- Mr Shipley
6- Mr Tudor

Earl Tudor- A Breeder Of American Gamedogs written by Don Mayfield.

The American Gamedogs in Dibo’s pedigree were dogs that proved their gameness in the Core of the gamedog game in America. These gamedogs came into our nation near the mid 1800’s from Europe. Some of the gamedogs that were brought into our nation were of “outcross” breeding. When different pure families in England, Ireland, and Scotland were bred together in their nations, then imported into our nation and bred with either a pure or cross bred family, that were being “matched” into one another to prove which were the gamest families. Men like Cockney Charlie Lloyd imported pure family breeding, and “pure” English breeding and cross bred it with the English breeding here in our nation. These men match few dogs, but proved their breeding was of the gamest bred. In the days of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s Con Feeley who matched more dogs than any man in his time became the breeder of the different outcross English families that had been bred here in the U.S.A., Con bred a family of dogs from what he proved were the games dogs bred in the U.S.A. in his time. F.G. Henry imported some English red dogs and crossed them with the proven family of the Con Feeleys.

In the same days the English dogs were being matched, proven and bred, on the Northern coast of our nation. The Irish families were being done the same way in the area of the East Coast. J.P. Colby was a man that bred together different pure Irish game families with the Irish outcrosses that was being crossed together on the East Coast. A number of different men matched and proved the gameness of the breeding that were being bred at the “Core” of the “game.” In the late 1800’s and early 1900’s the Irish dogs of outcross breeding, the ones that were proving themselves as the gamest bred, made it to Texas in the yard of Bill Shipley. Bill imported a pure Irish family from Ireland and crossed it with the crossbred family that had been bred in the U.S.A.

In the early 1900’s the next name to fill the shoes of the number one gamedog man of his time, and only a few men here in this new nation had wore these shoes, the last was Con Feeley from Illinois. But in 1908 Earl Tudor showed up in Oklahoma from Kentucky. Earl matched more dogs and proved his understanding of gameness more than any man in his time. He bred together the families of F.G. Henry to the families of Con Feeley. In the late 1930’s and early 1940’s Earl was proving his breeding the gamest bred. At that time he crossed the dogs of the purest that had been proven of the English breeding to the Irish families of Bill Shipley, 200 miles from him in Texas. This brought together the games dogs bred from the north and the gamest dogs bred from the East to near the center of the U.S.A. In the days of Earl Tudor when he proved his breeding the gamest bred, dogs from his breeding were being bred in most the States in the U.S.A., this was in the 1940’s. In the early 1950’s Earl Tudor was in Arizona looking at the breeding of the gamedogs, when he was taken to see the dog “Dibo.” Earl liked very much what he saw, and took the dog back to Oklahoma with him. At first he called this red dog “Runt,” but later he changed his name back to “Dibo.” Earl bred “Dibo” to a number of females bred from his family of dogs. In the late 1950’s and early 1960’s Earl began to bring together a family of dogs breeding them “pure.” His dogs were different than any of the different families being bred in the U.S.A. The one’s from his families were the ones at the “Core” with most all the other breeding in the U.S.A. being of outcross breeding from Earl’s yard.

 

tool, your on the hate tom garner bandwagon and this is your dog ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [287025] :: <FONT COLOR=BLUE>ARMAGEDDON'S<FONT COLOR=RED> CHLOE thats so fkn funny, you know how many fkn puppies Pit Stop pumps out and Armegedon? They just arent on the ROM list like Garner is but they sure sell their share of puppies dont be a hypocrite and yes they put out nice dogs, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy you even advertise puppies in your dogs pedigree, lol. "Email me for PUPPIES!" lmfao

 

Ralph Greenwood was real good ,as was Arnold Stienberg. And I still love those dogs thats got plenty of STABER in them no matter how far back (clouse) and all the rest.
I most admire the folks that have carried the torch to the present, and are producing real bulldogs today. And I don't care what there names are. Long Live the real BULLDOG.

 

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the #1 influencing female in that ped is Garner's Ronnie............that is kind of funny, but I gotta get back on the wagon where I belong. And that's a nice looking bitch/ped.