Athletic dogs

Davidfitness, you should really look up the breed standard. Since when have you seen a limo in a race? Long body does not add speed, it adds extra weight and slows the dog down. "Loin should be long enough to square the dog".

 

Conformation (Form) and Performance (Function) are two different things.

Basically form follows the function or the specific goal of the breeder.

Like the old saying never judge a book by its cover, unless you are going by looks (form) alone LOL. Performance (function) is not seen on the outside, unless you open and really read the book LMAO.

Its like me calling Sadieblues dogs curs just by looking at her pics LMAO.

 

I completely agree. Good post, Saiy.

 

Good lookin Red Diva. Love them dogs back behind as well! Yours too Sadie!

 

Wow, she looks a awful lot like Red Danger... very nice...

 

Well I think there are some things you can tell from conformation... some dogs have the will and gameness to power thru weaknesses but for instance a dog like this:

ain't gonna be running any marathons... LOL...

 

Shit, that could be a Frisco/Mojo Rising bred dog for all we know LMAO.

 

I never said a dog that didn't have good conformation couldn't win or wasn't game. However, look at the ones who did it well, very well, they had good conformation for the most part. Form is function, meaning if the form isn't there for the specific funcution, it makes it harder. These are American "Pit" Bull Terriers, there is only one true function for these dogs, and the ones built "right" last.

Here is a little project for you Saiyagin, Search some peds, and find me a "good dog" with bad conformation, and I will find you 5 for your 1 with good conformation.

@ thepeon, is that Deadlift in your Avatar? Looks like, and if so, look at his conformation, it was pretty good and he was said to be one of the best match dogs of his time. So not only was he a good dog, but he had good conformation and his blood is still being used today.

 

Man, that is pathetic. What is the point???

 

Man that isn't pathetic, it is a crying shame. I feel sorry for that dog and any like it!

 

Not disagreeing with you, but it can be said that the standard for the APBT has changed through out the years right? Also, Cheetahs for example are the fastest animals in the world and they are longer than they are taller, they also have high backs. Greyhounds I believe are also slightly longer than taller. Obviously form follows function but my topic is not directed at the purist ideology of the pit rather than athleticism in general. We all know a greyhound can run like the wind but it cannot win a match. So my point is just to explore what people feel are crucial body features that enable their idea of athleticism. Sadie has some very nice dogs like the others have posted, even in those few posts there are great differences in structures.

I think slight variations can greatly alter performance. I was pet sitting a lab x hound female at my home for a week two weeks ago and this made me think a lot about performance. My dog is as lean as it can possibly be and that mutt had gas for the whole day. My dog could beat in raw speed and power but that dog just didn't get tired lol So it made me think about specific features that enable athletic performance. That dog wasn't tightly bred so it was just a dog that had more stamina you know what I mean?

 

I think any working dog should have a solid build but to whose standard the show or registry standard? No .. Breeding to a show standard or a registry standard IMO is not the same as breeding the dog for work, severe punishment, and being able to take a beating structurally and withstand that beating for as long as the heart and body will allow it. You see all dogs have structural flaws and working dog breeders know this but they don't focus solely on breeding the perfect conformation dog either unlike many show breeders who breed to a registry standard to win conformation shows and overtime the dogs start to take another form we have seen this time and time again with many working breeds that were bred to a registry standard. Some of the flaws I have seen in many working dogs throughout history might prevent them from placing in a conformation show being judged by the registry standard where as those same flaws would not interfere with the dogs ability to do it's job elsewhere. As someone mentioned even with those dogs who have structural defects that might cause those dogs some issues over time the heart and gameness can beat the odds for those dogs this has been proven as well. The question is what's good conformation and to whose standard are we judging? I think no I know that working dog breeders don't breed to any registry standard based on what I have been told by those breeders if they did the dogs would not look the same over time and many of the working dogs being bred would be culled for many nit picking flaws that may be ugly to a show judge but wouldn't cause problems for a working dog in a working situation. JMO

 

Hey David I will work on getting some video up of them running so you can see them. Yeah Karma is still a young dog not even 1 yet so she has some time to grow and mature. Bogart IMO has a very solid build he's very strong, has a strong neck, he's not rangy or long he's very square. His weakness I think are his elbows, and feet his pasterns are weak his feet are flat and his elbows are not as tight the point slightly outward like many dogs I have seen in his pedigree I believe the registry standard calls it out at the elbows but you can only see it if he's standing a certain way. Overtime It could cause some issues as an older dog. I could hide these flaws or minimize them by stacking him a certain way but they are there and if a conformation judge saw them he would be penalized for them. But in a working situation as a young dog I don't believe they would cause any issues Macho Buck had them, Mayday had them, Redboy had them, all those dogs in Bogarts pedigree had those elbows.

 

Well said, I also think a show champion doesn't guarantee supreme athleticism.

 

Your boy is def turning into a monster, he looks like a tank. I did not expect him to turn out like that. How old is he now?

 

This is one of my female's and she is extremely athletic very fast on her feet

and the black one is very muscular and a powerfull built dog and just very ruff no agility

 

Elifan those are some very nice dogs, when you get a chance can you measure their length compared to their height? The black dog looks like it has a bigger rib cage than the female.

 

yeah no prob and belive it or not they are only 1 1/2 pound diff

 

Conformation doesn't always have to do with a standard. Look at racing greyhounds... they aren't bred to a conformation standard... but they all do the same work and it shows in their conformation, how similar they all are...

obviously different work requires different conformation. but i think the point is that a dog should have HEALTHY conformation (no eastie-westie, bowed out legs, no legs too short for the dog to be agile, etc) that allows the dog to be agile, strong, sturdy, and fast, with good wind as well...

 

Extremely athletic and strong but cold!

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