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guestion about the rubdown

Discussion in 'Sports & Activities' started by sandman221, May 29, 2009.

  1. is there a certain way u should rubdown after the workout and cooldown or does it make a difference. example like should i rub in a circular motion, rub all muscle towards the heart ect ect. just wanting to do what is best for my dog

    thanks
     
  2. RedNozeChamp

    RedNozeChamp Big Dog

    I wonder if my technique is on point myself.. My girl dog sometimes walks off in the middle of a rubdown my male never does that he loves it. I read somewhere on this forum to rub the dog the direction their hair grows repeatedly. I use 2 hands firm but not too hard rubbing shoulders neck and hindquarters. I just do it cause im nice im not even sure if its helping them any.
     
  3. ya no idea if im actually doing anything but he sure loves it. ya ive been rubbing the length of the muscle. the way the muscle fiber runs. was just wondering if there was a specific way i should be doing it. my boy loves his rubdowns regardless if its actually helping or not.
     
  4. ANCHOR

    ANCHOR Guest

    front to back, top to bottom, and yes its makes a whole lot of differance.
    have you read, "the rub down, by Bob Steven's ?
    i can post it up, but im sure it would already have been posted some where.
     
  5. thanks D's. no i havent read it. would u mind posting it if u have time. thanks again
     
  6. ANCHOR

    ANCHOR Guest


    The Rubdown by Bob Stevens


    Because of the time restraints in today's fast paced society, an important aspect of conditioning a dog is often neglected or cut short. I refer to the rubdown. Many experienced dogmen of the past gave their dogs 30 minute rubdowns daily because they had the time to spend and they were able to perceive the benefits of their efforts. Today, there is a tendency to place more emphasis on mill work or pulling, followed by a very brief rubdown or no rubdown at all. When you are busy and have had a hard day at work, it is very tempting to cut your dog's conditioning short. If you cut it short one day, you'll do it again another day. It becomes easier and more tempting to end the workout before you are supposed to. We are all creatures of habit. (attitude) of "well, I'll just quit a little early today, one day won't matter," then you are cheating your dog. You certainly don't want your dog to quit a little early when his time comes. If however, you discipline yourself and have a habit of never cutting back on a dog's program (in fact if there is doubt about the time, add a couple of minutes) then it gives your dog an edge.

    It is true that the most important factor is your dog's inherited gameness, but the handler plays a very important role in competing in weight pulling, schussed trials, wild boar hunting, tracking, or whatever - a dog's owner tends to feel let down if his dog runs out of endurance and doesn't perform to his maximum potential. Well then, perform your part to the best of your ability and don't let your dog down. I'm referring to an esoteric, unique relationship between man and animal that is difficult to express in words, but to me, is what Pit Bulls are all about.

    In any event, since the rubdown is at the end of a dog's workout, and because most people do not realize how extremely important it is, (they think it's just something that is relaxing to the dog and establishes rapport with the dog, but that's it, or they don't think of it at all, they just do it because "you're suppose to"), this is the part of the conditioning program most frequently cut. Knowing however, how vital a rubdown is if you desire to maximize the benefits of conditioning, can help provide the stimulus to live up to your duty to a game bulldog.

    The importance of the rubdown is perhaps more apparent if we understand what it accomplishes. A proper rubdown puts the animals body in a balanced metabolic state. Metabolism as defined here is "the busily process of transforming assimilated food into protoplasm (water, lipids, carbohydrated, and inorganic salts), breaking down protoplasm into waste matter, producing energy growth, and replacing worn out tissues." The metabolic state is in chemical balance when an animal is not sick and activity is normal. If you understand the chemistry of muscle fatigue you can dramatically alter the negative side affects of grueling roadwork that makes a dog stiff and lame. When roadwork becomes demanding, overstressed fatigued muscles cause a disturbance of the meabolic chemical balance by not allowing the muscles enough time to relax and allow proper inflow of fresh blood to nourish the tissues.

    Lactic and carbonic acids accumulate in the muscles and surrounding tissues more rapidly than they are eliminated. These acids, particularly lactic, cause muscles to cramp and become painful and the dog will limp. Carbonic acid is carbon dioxide in tissue fluid. Lactic acid is accumulated glycogenic the muscle. The glycogen is eventually flushed out by flowing blood and tissue fluid though the lymphatic system, which is responsible for flushing out toxins and fluid wastes (such as carbonic and lactic acid) that accumulate in muscle, tissues, and blood. After an extremely hard conditioning session, this process can take anywhere from a day to 3 days, especially if the dog has had 2 or 3 days of hard work without a rest break, or at the beginning of a conditioning program for a dog that doesn't receive regular daily exercise. A properly applied and though rubdown will expedite the flushing out process and alleviate the pain by relaxing the muscle and stimulating a supply of oxygen rich blood to the area where it's most needed. A dog instinctively knows this when he vigorously lick his wounds, bruises, or any sore, painful area. The pressure from his tongue stimulates blood flow and research has accomplished this. In a research project to study the effects of massage on muscles, rabbits (animals that use their rear legs extensively) were used. Black Indian ink was injected into their leg muscles after which they were left to their normal daily routing. One group of rabbits had their legs massaged daily while the other group did not. Both groups were fed the same food and interacted together. After a month the legs of all the rabbits were dissected and the muscles studied. The leg muscles of the non-massaged group were stained black in the area of the injection site. The muscles of the massaged rabbits however, were pink with absolutely no trace of the Indian ink anywhere in the body! India ink is used in making tattoos, it has a lasting stain.

    There is also research available on the effects of massage on muscle endurance. In one study a man curled a 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) barbell to exhaustion; witch for him was 840 times without interruption. His arm was then massaged for 5 minutes after which he lifted the same weight 1100 times in the same manner without fatigue! Another study found that a person capable of doing 50 pushups will after a 5 minute rest, be able to do about 10 more. the same person, however, can do about 35 to 50 more pushups if the muscles are rubbed down during the 5 minute rest interval. This indicates a nearly complete muscle recovery rate in 5 minutes!

    The studies were conducted at the turn of the century, but it took many years for the athletic world to pick up on the importance of the rubdown. The east athletics. Their olympic track team began using leg massage in the 1950's and achieved repeated success. now all track teams of olympic level use it. Boxers have used rubdowns for years. Many human athletes receive an extensive rubdown just prior to competition. This pre-competition rubdown strengthens metabolism and the athlete has more energy. Some rub or massage an area called "stomach 36", which is a pressure point located 4 fingers down the knee on the outside of the leg (side of the calf muscle).

    Stomach 36" stimulates the adrenal glands and provides energy for exhausting workouts. I know several people who give their dog 20 or 30 minute rubdowns just prior to bringing them to a competition.

    Probably the most important contribution a professional rubdown gives to a dog's condition is that it relieves stress to the central nervous system {CNS} and allows the CNS to handle more pressure. If a rubdown is given in conjunction with a shampoo and rinse this is particularly true. The shampoo and rinse technique is given to us by Bobby hall. This master of the game told me he spends an hour with a dog he's working, rubbing him down after hard work. Bobby has been in the game a long, long time and has the respect of any knowledgeable dog man in the game. I believe that the biggest factor in Bobby Hall's success is his genuine love for Bulldogs. Anyone who spends as much time with Pit Bulls as bobby does have to love being around them and I really think that is the success secret. In any even, Bobby begins his daily rubdown with a thorough shampoo, rinse, and hand rubs the dog
     
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  7. ANCHOR

    ANCHOR Guest

    dry. He said we could add that little tidbit to this on the rubdown. When shampooing the dog you should apply the massage techniques outlined further in this article. After rinsing, it takes sat least 30 minutes for the dog's coat to dry while you hand rub, if you don't towel dry. Do not put the dog on the chain wet. Rubbing him dry assures you that you spend adequate time. After a hot demanding workout, the shampoo and massage is highly refreshing as well as relaxing. what it does is it rejuvenates the CNS. You've heard the expression that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, the weakest link in a dog is not his muscles; it is not his lung power; it is the dog's CNS.

    Many dogmen, particularly those of the old school, do not like a keep that lasts longer than 6 to 8 weeks because this is the time it takes (with traditional keeps) to peak a dog. Those who adhere to this program have experienced their dogs going stale, (overstrained), if they go longer than 8 weeks. A stale dog is in the worst state of conditioning; in other words it is much better to have a dog under conditioned and let him run pretty much on natural wind than to overtrain. I personally prefer a much longer keep because I feel that you can bring a dog to a higher level of condition, if you know how to keep the dog from getting stale and properly peak the dog. The length of the keep is not the subject of this article. It is mentioned in order to point out the little known fact that the limiting factor in a dog's training is a dog's CNS. A dog goes stale, not from over worked muscle but rather an over taxed CNS. Stress, from over working, mental pressure, or inadequate nutrition, all weakens the CNS.Research indicates that the CNS takes much longer (7 to 10 times longer depending on which resource source you read) to recuperate from stress than the muscular system. In fact the function of the CNS is to protect the body from excessive stress. It is Mother Nature's safety switch to prevent overload, much like a house's fuse box. Theoretically, if you could strengthen the house's wiring system, you could do without a fuse. Once torn down, the CNS does not recover after a day or two of rest. The CNS is sensitive to changes in temperature and mental stress. It is the most delicate part of a dog's apparatus-the weakest link in the chain. A dog can take a maximum load of stress so long as the CNS is not over taxed. The shampoo, rinse and valuable addition to the rubdown technique. The shampoo and rinse technique was provided by Bobby Hall, the discussion on why it works so well, the effect on the CNS, etc., is my contribution.

    There are two athletic endeavors that Pit Bulls and American Bulldogs are currently engaged in, the sport of schutzhund and hunting wild boar, in which I believe canine conditioning, and the rubdown, are sadly neglected. It is not necessary for a Bulldog to be conditioned for schutzhund training. They must have enough stamina for the trials and a fat Bulldog will not be impressive retrieving articles over jumps. Their inherent enthusiasm and courage allows them to more than adequately perform "off-the-chain".

    It is my experience, however, that a finely tuned, conditioned bulldog is more alert and responsive for obedience work. The dog will have more concentration for tracking, a closer team spirit for retrieving and send away, resulting in a closer bond with the handler. He will be quicker and more agile on jumps and sleeve work, and will work the sleeve with higher tolerance for the mental strain involved in these sports. (probably a lot of "frustrations" get unloaded on the mill and with the joy of roadwork).
    It is my personal opinion that when time is spent with a quality rubdown as part of the conditioning process, that the dog's "nerves" are stronger and the handler/dog bond is strengthened even further.

    As far as hunting wild boar is concerned, again, conditioning is not necessary - especially, if you have an American Bulldog or a large Pit Bull. Most hunters do not condition their dogs, they just take them off the chain and head out for the woods. If they hunt often enough, the hunting is the conditioning. However, if you care for your dog and enjoy having a lean, ripped, athletic animal, conditioning your dog for the hunt can save his life in addition to allowing him to be more effective.

    A registered Russian boar was purchased and released in the swamp to breed with the wild feral hog where we hunt. The result, a species of wild hog that national Geographic Magazine says is the toughest, meanest, in the country.

    My Velvet is only 42 pounds - and she won't quit. On more than one occasion she has found a hog when the other Pit Bull or the bay dog was not with her (because she ranges, looking for the hogs). She's gone one-on-one with a 200 to 300 pound wild boar more than once. That's like a 150 pound man wrestling a giant that weighed over a thousand pounds, with cartilage and bone as much as an inch thick. She's gone one-on-one for as long as fifteen minutes before we found her, many times. Unconditioned, I'm afraid Velvet would not have survived.

    Velvet's son (she was bred to Bobby Hall's Ch. swamper - pure Bullyson), is a big dog, with high ability. But, on the second day of hunting, wounded from the previous day's hunt, fatigued from swimming across sloughs and creeks, running through thick jungle and briars - I don't want him slow when he meets one of those big Daddy hogs that sits back on his haunches, flashing tusks that can rip a dog open with open with one swipe, I want him lean and conditioned.

    We generally come back to the farmhouse at mid-day for lunch and a brief rest, then head back out. I find that, especially if my dogs are cut up from a mauling catch and starting to swell, a thorough rubdown rejuvenates them for the afternoon hunt. Bulldogs will still hunt after being wounded - and even hunt the next day. Cruelty, to a Bulldog, is not letting them hunt. Velvet will literally cry. On a couple occasions, she was too badly cut up to go back out, once she had taken a tuck deep in her gut, and I had to leave her behind. Her cries were loud screeches heard a mile down the road. When we returned she looked so sorrowful, like she'd been punished. You have to love a dog like that! Anyway, the rubdown definitely help in recuperation for hunting dogs.

    The rubdown procedure that I like is next. Many people who are serious about the rubdown will make a little table about waist high to put the dog on while massaging. Before the rubdown after a workout, get a damp sponge & wipe off the froth on your dogs muzzle (he should have froth if he's been properly exercised) and wipe around his eyes, back of his ears, under his chin, groin area, and the butt. Begin by scratching him behind the ears and manipulating his jaw muscles. I like to rest the dog's head on my knee while I do this, they love it. I relax myself during the rubdown. I believe your frame of mind is transmitted to the dog. I breath slowly using the diaphram techniques I have learned in meditation. Quite often, I hum and this seems to relax both of us.

    There are several ways to apply the message:
    1. Stroking- This is when you glide your hand smoothly over the fur. Very little
     
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  8. ANCHOR

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    pressure is needed. This promotes venous circulation, stimulates the nervous system, and transmits energy (believe it or not) to the animal.
    2. Friction- With this method you exert more pressure and your hands move in a circular motion. It promotes a deeper arterial tissue circulation than stroking, and it starts lymphatic flow. I find that the firmer hand pressure of friction relaxes the dog more than stroking and I generally begin massaging with friction and the bulk of the rubdown entails friction.
    3. Kneading- A great deal of pressure is used here. You move your hands rhythmically over the dog's muscles, kneading is primarily used when massaging the large muscle areas, squeezing and lifting the fur and muscles. Work in short circular patterns. This method pumps nutrient fresh blood into the area massaged and flushes out the toxins as I have explained.
    4. Pulling and rotating joints- This phase helps maintain flexibility, strengthens ligaments and tendons, and boosts production of sensorial fluid (lubricating fluid found in joint cavities and in tendon sheaths).

    When you and your bulldog are relaxed, rub your hands slowly from the top of his head down along his vertebrae to his tail stroking several times. Rub and knead the neck muscles on both sides with circular motions at first, then rubbing back and forth. Work down to the base of the neck where the head meets the first vertebrae with small circular movements. Do not lift your fingers as you move down his back. After you have the back a few minutes, reach under his front leg with your right hand and begin with his left shoulder, pulling down across his chest all the way back to the top right stifle up high in the gut, then right down the right side, of the leg muscle. Do this going back and forth, one side then the other. keep your fingers together, not spread while stroking. You are much more effective that way because the heat and energy in your hand becomes concentrated. Try it on yourself and you should be able to discern the difference. You then roll the dog over on his back and scratch his belly. Stroke his belly with circular motions, which should keep going toward the chest. gradually work up the chest, and as you get to this massage, stimulating the abdomen, is very important because it will help clean out your dog. The digestive process becomes more efficient, production of gastric juices is aided, and urination is increased. Medical science research has shown this to be true. Understand this, the muscles receive no nutrition until the food is digested, assimilated into the blood, and then quality of nutrition received by the body parts depends to a large extent on the quality of the blood and lymph circulation. By massaging the chest, you clear the central lymph node of toxic build up and open up the system to flush out wastes accumulated in the muscles during heavy conditioning. Spend a good amount of time in this area.

    Next, lay the dog on his side. Take his front paw in your hand and gently rotate it first in one direction, then the other. Pull gently on the paw to stretch the tendons. Sometimes I take each toe between thumb and forefinger and squeeze firmly. Grasp the bottom of his leg like you would hold a baseball bat and gently squeeze then rotate your hand back and forth slowly, so that the heat of your hand will penetrate. Always talk to your dog in a quiet conversational tone while doing this. It will establish rapport with him. work your way slowly up his leg kneading and stroking. Most of the leg-massaging with the fur, the feeling being that this is more comfortable to the dog. Contemporary dog massage technique calls for you to do the opposite. You always massage toward the heart. This squeezes out the lactic acid and other toxins and does it the most expeditious way. You'll be going against the fur, but my experience concurs with what I have read. The dog enjoys the massage just as much as if you went with the fur.

    [When you get to the shoulder muscle, spend some time kneading. Then hold his leg and rotate the shoulder joint. You can then start on the rear leg. You then go to the bottom of the rear leg, just as you did with the front, and massage it in a similar manner. Knead the tibias and metatarsals. This is the area above and below the hock (part of the dog's rear leg that stick out like an elbow). When you finish, turn the dog over and repeat on the other side.

    The rubdown cannot replace the mill or roadwork for getting a dog into shape. There are no shortcuts, only long cuts. But do not cut the rubdown short; it is an important aspect of conditioning.

    Bob Stevens.

    i couldnt find this anywhere on the forum, so i hope it wasnt already posted somewhere.
    enjoy, D'S...
     
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  9. TheVictor22

    TheVictor22 CH Dog

    good lookin out D's
     
  10. thanks again D's. very much appreciated, im sure my dog will love it even more than normal
     
  11. JBlazeRx7

    JBlazeRx7 Top Dog

    Nice D's thanks good info. The rub down is important for the dog and for the bonding with yur dog.:D
     
  12. InBearsMemory

    InBearsMemory Big Dog

    Thanks for sharing that article, what a great read!
     
  13. p1tbull

    p1tbull Big Dog

    that alot of info on rubdowns nice!!!:
     
  14. BRONXXX

    BRONXXX Big Dog

    Thank you for sharing the article! Good read!
     
  15. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    I read this awhile back. My question is does anyone use oil to rub? I have heard baby oil and i have heard not to use anything at all...
     
  16. WOW!! its the things like this that gives you the advantage over the other competitors. I am new to this site an from the last week being on here at least 2 hours a day, I have to say I thought I "knew" alot but I have learned more about the breed an training tips the last week than I knew the last 5 years.. Thanks to articles like this an the People that share it. Thanks D's:D
     
  17. chaser71

    chaser71 Banned

    Where is Bob Stevens now ?
     
  18. Zoe

    Zoe CH Dog

    Thanx for posting that! :)
     
  19. NewDogg09

    NewDogg09 Pup

    great post i think everyone will appreciate this
     
  20. great post learned alot didnt know that a rubdown meant that much
     

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