Tosa Inu

[Bull and Terrier]

What does everyone think of these dogs? Its crasy to think its still legal to use these dogs for their original purpose in parts of japan and korea!

Seems the dogs from this breeder are smaller and more athletic than whats seen in the ole' usa...

http://fightingtosa.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=gallery

[Bull and Terrier]

And everyone thought Mayday was big!
Lightweight(50kg),Middleweight(70kg),Heavyweight(9 0kg~) at tournament

[NMWAPBT]

idk much about this breed are they as good as an apbt

[AGK]

^------Hells to the NO! No dog Pound for pound is as good as the APBT at that Job, NO DOG!

[Bull and Terrier]

idk much about this breed are they as good as an apbt

For Pure ability and game I would venture no, but there is no denying the power one of these beasts must posess. I mean look at the size of the heads on those things! Massive. I always told myself eventually I would get myself a truly big dog. Cant really see myself getting anything besides one of these. Maybe in the light or middleweight category...

[Bull and Terrier]

wow check out this ranking and rule set about half way down. Anything longer than 30 minutes and its considered a draw!

http://www.fightingtosa.com/sub44.html

[tony413]

the tosa inu fighting in japan is more like sumo wrestling for dogs it not like pit fighting.

[teras]

the tosa inu fighting in japan is more like sumo wrestling for dogs it not like pit fighting.

they look as ugly as sumo wrestlers too

[Arizona_GameTime]

Tosa dog are a powerfull breed, but nothing like the APBT. When sent into one of those massive beasts, the APBT almost always either draws, or looses due to a faul being made, and almost always, the foul is called because the APBT is dying to cross the line, and won't be quite about it, and the draw is called because a well bred and conditioned APBT will hang around all day. So at the thirty minute mark, a draw is called. Its one of the dumest rules I've heard.

[Arizona_GameTime]

But the Tosa is bred to be silent when its at work. If you ask me, that shows a lot what the Tosa really is made of. How can a dog that out weighs its prey buy 20-50 lbs not get the job done?

[websterz28]

Tosa dog are a powerfull breed, but nothing like the APBT. When sent into one of those massive beasts, the APBT almost always either draws, or looses due to a faul being made, and almost always, the foul is called because the APBT is dying to cross the line, and won't be quite about it, and the draw is called because a well bred and conditioned APBT will hang around all day. So at the thirty minute mark, a draw is called. Its one of the dumest rules I've heard.

when matched under tosa rules yes a bulldog would probably lose(because of time limit and cant make noise)... but when matched under cajun country or back yard rules a good bulldog will tkae whatever that tosa will push for 20-30 min... then the bulldog will kill the tosa in the next 20 min to an hour.. and the bulldog will still just be getting warmed up...

[Rojas]

The tosa inu is good fighting dog, comparing a game pitbull to a tosa inu is like comparing oranges to apples, the rules state a match ends at the 30min mark, but that is because they are heavy weights and will gas out fast, that is not to say they are not powerfull and determined dogs, most pitbulls (large ones) put towards a tosa will and have lost 8 out of 10 times, with that being said, when matching dogs , it has to be pound4pound and at that the game pitbull is the best at doing the damm thing ..........

[Arizona_GameTime]

I completely agree with you both. Just sharing my experience with this particular thread.

[budboy88]

i would give anything to see mayday take on one of these beasts under cajun rules

[yrrej]

in japan, a tosa can be a front-running cur, and still be re-matched. They don't breed dogs for gameness. it's like their mixed martial arts. The promoter picks the judges. So he picks judges who will find the most popular guy to be the winner. Anybody remember Bob Sapp, who is still a big hero in japan, but one of the worst mixed martial artists ever? he looks impressive though.

in any case, over here dogs are matched to weight. how well bred could a pit the size of a tosa be? An aggressive mastiff will kill a lot of pits with one well-placed bite. Does that make him a great fighting dog? not in my opinion. There is not a dog in the world that can stand up to the best ApBT pound-for-pound. never will be. Don't kid yourselves. if you think there is, then go out and buy these dogs so you can be educated.......

[Bull and Terrier]

I don't think anyone is arguing that these dogs are better pound for pound than a well bred APBT. However, for their size they do show impressive stamina and a hell of a lot of mouth.
Of course there are different styles to the different breeds, but it doesn't mean you cant be impressed by a UFC heavy weight because the welterweights are so much quicker and throw better combos. Personally I just like breeds of dog that were forged in the fires of combat and for me that doesn't begin and end at APBT's (even though there top of my list). And anyone who thinks there just sumo wrestlers haven't seen any videos of these dogs in action, they move pretty well and definitley use there teeth. They dont seem to sustain much damage though because of their loose skin... I heard that during the 70's alot of good american game blood was imported and used to improve the lines of tosa's in Japan. So even they recognize the effectiveness of a game bred APBT.

So in summation, pound for pound nothing matches a APBT, But they are still a damn impressive animal.

[alabama]

Good post B and T

[NMWAPBT]

lol i didnt think so they really big and heavy look clumsy i hate dogs that are really heavy but look like they dont have an ounce of muscle i cant see myself ever owning a dog lyk that but a dog thatsh built and heavy yea but i like apbt as my first choice

[Jelet]

Tosas don't keep holds like APBT's. And they normally dont fight under cajun rules. They have a time limit down there and also do not normally fight in scratch and turn contests.

[yrrej]

The Asian ideal is different than the American ideal. over here, regardless of what we are doing, our intention is to dominate the other dog, person, whatever. in Asia, it is more about survival. A completely different philosophy. This is why we lose wars over there now. They just fight a holding pattern....forever. Defending is much easier than overpowering, especially when you are the home team.

So, the fighting shar pei's of China, for instance, would grab the front leg of the other dog and pull. This is why they were high-stationed. They were not trying to 'beat' the other dog, but simply trying to stay out of trouble until he quit. once American dogs got sent all over the world, e.g. japan, China, the philippines, etc., a new level of sport ensued.

i like all kinds of dogs and have nothing against Tosas or any other breed. But the ApBt is more closely bred for a particular purpose than any other fighting bloodline. most of the Asian 'fighting breeds' were originally all-purpose dogs intended to protect the village, chase off wild animals, etc. They weren't as specialized as our dogs.