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    Default Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Hello all. I had read in the thread about fleas about Gard Star. I rung my co-op & they said they didn't have Gard Star, but had something like it called Martin's permethrin 10%. The man at the co-op told me it was strong stuff & that if I was going to use this as a spot on monthly treatment on the dog to dilute it 2 oz to 1 gallon. My questions are thus:

    - Does anyone here use permethrin 10%? How do you like it?

    - Do you dilute it? If so what are the dilution measurements?

    - Is application still 40 ccs from neck to rump?

    - Also I heard someone say dilute it with baby oil, while the man at the co-op said use water. Which is better?

    - Also on whom can this mixture be used on? Adult dogs I know, but what about puppies, pregenant $#@!es or lactating $#@!es?

    Any information is appreciated as this will be the first time I will be using permethrin 10%. Previously I have used Frontline drops or Comfortis pills.
    Thanks in advance!

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Sorry ive never used but i will tell you whats great for fleas and ticks and it last for a long time. its call " bayer advanced garden tree & shrub". you can get it at wal-mart, lowes, ect its about $20 for 32 oz it has the same stuff in that front line does. it will be in the garden department. you do not dilute it. you just get a spray bottle (you can get them for $1) pour it in there and spray there whole body(not the head though). are dogs are in the woods and you wont find a tick or flea on them anywhere. thanks i hope this helps you. i know it isnt what you want to know but it might help you or someone else. good luck. if you need to know anything else feel free to ask.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    I found this info on the product, but I'm still looking for something about the dilution for use on dogs. If you read this info, it clearly states that it is labeled for use directly on animals.

    Permethrin 10%
    Martin's Permethrin 10% liquid concentrate controls a wide number of insects and is labeled for use indoors and outdoors. Safe for use around pets, Horses and Livestock. Our most popular solution for long lasting control of MOSQUITOES & FLIES. Mix with PBO synergist for increased knockdown.

    This powerful pyrethroid concentrate gives a broad spectrum - fast-acting - mild resistance kill.

    Permethrin 10% is the cost-effective-versatile insecticide, with many uses. Excellent for control of yard insects. Apply using one of the Curtis Foggers.

    Common mixing dilutions are as follows: 0.25% solution - 2-2/3 ounces Permethrin in 1 gallon water. 0.50% solution - 5-1/2 ounces Permethrin in 1 gallon water.


    Liquid Permethrin 10% Concentrate is labeled for use in non-food areas indoors and outside premises of hotels, motels, homes, preschools, nurseries, day camps, greenhouses, seed houses, commercial, industrial, office institutional and storage buildings, dairies, milk storage rooms, swine houses, campers, mobile homes, buses, automobiles, trucks, and boxcars, dog kennels, horse stables.

    Listed for use on applying directly on animals, beef cattle, horses, sheep, goats, swine, poultry, dogs and others.

    Controls:
    MOSQUITOES, MOSQUITOES, MOSQUITOES, FLIES, $#@!roaches, crickets, silverfish, clover mites, millipeds, centipeds, earwigs, sowbugs, spiders, brown dog ticks, lone star ticks, ants, fire ants, clothes moths, carpet beetles, fleas, boxelder bugs, scorpions, spider beetles, bedbugs, grasshoppers, gants, bees, wasps, hornets, fruit flies, cluster flies, and many other beetles and moths.

    Active Ingredients:
    Permethrin...............10%
    Inert Ingredients........90%
    Total...................100.00%

    Available in quarts and gallon jugs.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Bayer tree & shrub works great, but you have to make sure you get the bottle labeled "BAYER TREE & SHRUB INSECT CONTROL" DO NOT USE THE PROTECT AND FEED VERSION AS IT CONTAINS FERTILIZER THAT IS HARMFUL TO YOUR DOGS. It works exactly like K9 Advantage, to get the same results as K9 Advantix you will have to mix it with the permethrins.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    I'm not a big fan of anything with Permethrin in it.

    It's generally an insecticide used on crops and is one of the ones that has been shown to cause seizures, tumors, and flu like symptoms in humans that consume it. It's also HIGHLY toxic to cats and can cause death within an hour. I've seen some people use it effectively but there are just to many risks involved for me to use it.

    If you dilute it into a spray bottle of some sort, be very careful not to get it into your eyes and wear gloves.

    I don't know if you've tried food grade diatomaceous earth but it's amazing stuff and isn't harmful to pets. No flies, ticks, or flea's around here.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Quote Originally Posted by prpitdawg View Post
    Sorry ive never used but i will tell you whats great for fleas and ticks and it last for a long time. its call " bayer advanced garden tree & shrub". you can get it at wal-mart, lowes, ect its about $20 for 32 oz it has the same stuff in that front line does. it will be in the garden department. you do not dilute it. you just get a spray bottle (you can get them for $1) pour it in there and spray there whole body(not the head though). are dogs are in the woods and you wont find a tick or flea on them anywhere. thanks i hope this helps you. i know it isnt what you want to know but it might help you or someone else. good luck. if you need to know anything else feel free to ask.
    I need to get me something different,how much do you actually put on the dog?I wouldn't want to overdo anything.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    These are the people who's website I got the Permethrin info off of. Maybe you could just contact them and see if they can give you a dilution rate...

    Contact Us
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    By Email: info@bugsource.com
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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Quote Originally Posted by gh32 View Post
    I need to get me something different,how much do you actually put on the dog?I wouldn't want to overdo anything.
    what we do is spray the whole dog expect the head. just spray there sides,back, and under the dog. i dont use it on dogs under 6 months of age and we dont mix it. but the key is to also treat the ground. i can tell you how to do that with something special that we use and it works great ask me if you need to know more. thanks. good luck

    p.s. just spray them down real good, you dont soak them in it but you do want spray to get them real good with it
    Last edited by prpitdawg; 06-28-2009 at 01:39 PM.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    this is how i use it 2 reg water bottle caps with the rest being water in a reg size spray bottle

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Thank you all for the information. Must the permethrin be sprayed on the dog? Can it be mixed into a solution & used like Frontline ( i.e. - applied only at the neck & rump)? I perfer not to use it as a dip or spray b/c I don't want to fight the dogs every month.

    As for the outside, I do not really have a problem with fleas in the yard. My problem comes in when we bought our place. It was a rental that allowed pets. When we bought it, it already had an absolutely out of control flea infestation. As a result, we fight fleas indoors every single year & I was looking for something to put on the dogs besides Frontline & Comfortis. Frontline works so-so & the Comfortis works better, but they're both too proud of their products.

    When I read about the Gard Star it piqued my interest, but sadly as mentioned in my OP the co-op didn't have Gard Star, they only had the Permethrin 10%. I read the label & it does say it is approved for use on dogs, but it didn't give a dilution directions or anything.

    Sorry for all the questions but this would be my first time using this stuff.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Ok, Here's the breakdown - use Bayer Tree & Shrub Insect Control mixed with permethrin 10% at a ratio of 4 to 1. It is easiest if you put it in some sort of squirt bottle (one of the old red & yellow condiment bottles works great) You start on the tail about 1/2 inch out from the base and squeeze a line all the way up to just between the ears (It should average out to about 20 ml for a 50 lb. dog). Give it a good rub to work it in and you are good to go for about a month. It works just like K9 Advantix. This works very well and the information and amounts came from one the greatest dogmen I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, who himself has used it for many years and his dogs are always insect and parasite free.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Thanks for all the info. I just switched to Comfortis and you are right ABK, They want a fortune for it. Having different size dogs is not a plus either. Just been buying the large tab and breaking them down for the weight of each dog.

    I will give the Bayer a try this week. Does it help at all with fly's???

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Thanks GAPits!

    OK, another silly question though - you said a mix ratio of 4 to 1. Is it 4 parts bayer to 1 part permethrin or vice versa? And how much is a part? For example, 4 cups of bayer to 1 cup permethrin, etc.

    Once again, I apologize, but I want to get this right!

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Sorry should have clarified that, It is 4 parts Bayer to 1 part Permethrin. Whatever you feel will be enough is what you mix. You can mix as little or as much as you want from tablespoons to gallons. You can also add a little bit of alcohol for a quick kill if you have already seen fleas or ticks on them, but it is not necessary.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Thanks!!!

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    If you haven't used Permethrin before be very very careful when using it on your dogs!!! While it works like a charm in regards to flies, ticks and mosquitos it has the potential to kill your animal because it it so strong and toxic. I have used BioSpot which has a high percentage of Permethrin in it on my dogs last year. Both my male and my Husky were doing fine with it but when I put it on my girl she broke out in MASSIVE hives and started getting dizzy so I washed if off right away. Better be safe than sorry.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Thanks. The co-op guy said it was strong stuff. I will most certainly dilute it & keep a sharp eye out for any reactions.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    Quote Originally Posted by undamineknls View Post
    this is how i use it 2 reg water bottle caps with the rest being water in a reg size spray bottle
    glad it works for you , but where is the science in those measurements?
    who has the math, ounces to ounces kinda measurements

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    I use Ortho Tree and Shrub but make sure if you use this product not to get the one that says "weed and feed" just the plain Ortho Tree and Shrub.

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    Default Re: Permethrin 10% - advice on use & dilution?

    the mix is 4 oz. of permethrin in to 20oz. of mineral oil in a spray bottle (makes a 2.5% mix based on the 9.1% strength of the permethrin). Using it as a water based is the reason the products do not work for any length of time. going to an oil-based spray will allow it to last much longer....US1

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