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    Guys can you help me out i want to shape up my dog...
    whats the right amount of creatine and whey protein that i should give to my dog??? Can you give me any tips how can i shape my dog???

    this is my dog....


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    creatine & whey? Is he going to the gym and eat some steel

    Don't know if its a good idea to give whey to a dog. I think you can better give some good quality dogfood and start working him.

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    here in the philippines a lot of dogmen use it for their dog....when they are working on a keep....what are you using to your dogs when you are in a keep???

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    well first things first get him a decent food and if his genetics are good and he's exercised regularly he should get in good shape without any supplements thats the most important thing,from working in a gym ive seen countless people trying to get in shape with expensive supplements and they get nowhere because their diets are so bad,build the foundation then supplement if you wanna improve on that,i wouldnt be 100% on amounts per serving but make sure they are taken straight after being worked and first thing in the morning,good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpit View Post
    well first things first get him a decent food and if his genetics are good and he's exercised regularly he should get in good shape without any supplements thats the most important thing,from working in a gym ive seen countless people trying to get in shape with expensive supplements and they get nowhere because their diets are so bad,build the foundation then supplement if you wanna improve on that,i wouldnt be 100% on amounts per serving but make sure they are taken straight after being worked and first thing in the morning,good luck
    thanks for the tip...

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    What are you feeding him now....his coat/skin looks poor!

    YIS

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    the human body can only absorb about 30 grams of protein about every 3 hrs. as for creatine i dont think its possible to over dose with it. the actual doses on mixed down supplement products are like 3oo times the amount the body could use,. the most effective way to get results from creatine is to just keep craming it down your throat. their are other products that help the body build creatine naturally. although again the draw back with using it, is that it takes on a lot of water weight, which can cause the dog to heat up more during intense workouts. depending what time of year the dog is being worked with determine wether or not it does more good than bad.

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    Creatine and whey protein are excellent supplements when conditioning a dog.

    Muscle is 70% water and creatine is a muscle hydrator. Creatine also improves the body's capacity to perform high intensity work. Creatine supplies 11b muscles (fast twitch) with energy and helps in the reduction of fatigue in fast twitch muscles. Creatine also improves the contraction of fast twitch muscles.

    Creatine also enhances recovery which is crucial when working a dog. Creatine also improves glucose tolerance and muscle glycogen.

    Creatine improves anaerobic capacity which the sport of dog fighting pre 1976 is.

    Creatine makes the muscles look fuller because it's a hydrator and volumizer.

    I use a micronized creatine which is more easily absorbed with no discomfort. It is purer than monohydrate, more effective and no bloating.

    Whey protein isolate is an excellent source of usable and very digestible protein. To give you an idea how high the biological value of why protein isolate is boneless skinless chicken breast has a biological value of 79 but depending on which whey isolate it varies from 104 to 159.

    How much and when to use is simple, I'll use a 50lb dog as an example.

    Creatine
    Granted you will need to feed a minimum of three times a day to keep the metabolism cranked to burn fat 24/7. First feeding which should be in the morning 5 grams of creatine. Each feeding should be 5 grams everytime.

    Whey Isolate
    You will need atleast 2 times the amount per body weight minimum of whey isolate protein. That means a 50 lb. dog will require 100 grams of isloate. Total protein intake will be 150 grams for a 50 lb dog with 50 grams coming from diet.

    When to feed?

    Morning feed 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    Immediately after workout 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    Just before sleep another 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    To keep the hair, skin shining and looking good add a tablespoon of unsaturatded fats i.e. extra vigin olive oil, flaxseed or vegetable oil with each feeding.

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    Also to make it easier on yourself you use RF-1....I usually work a dog in the evening so I give RF-1 + other supplements in the morning with 1 cup of water and with his feed after the work-out.

    www.getcni.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyHorse View Post
    Creatine and whey protein are excellent supplements when conditioning a dog.

    Muscle is 70% water and creatine is a muscle hydrator. Creatine also improves the body's capacity to perform high intensity work. Creatine supplies 11b muscles (fast twitch) with energy and helps in the reduction of fatigue in fast twitch muscles. Creatine also improves the contraction of fast twitch muscles.

    Creatine also enhances recovery which is crucial when working a dog. Creatine also improves glucose tolerance and muscle glycogen.

    Creatine improves anaerobic capacity which the sport of dog fighting pre 1976 is.

    Creatine makes the muscles look fuller because it's a hydrator and volumizer.

    I use a micronized creatine which is more easily absorbed with no discomfort. It is purer than monohydrate, more effective and no bloating.

    Whey protein isolate is an excellent source of usable and very digestible protein. To give you an idea how high the biological value of why protein isolate is boneless skinless chicken breast has a biological value of 79 but depending on which whey isolate it varies from 104 to 159.

    How much and when to use is simple, I'll use a 50lb dog as an example.

    Creatine
    Granted you will need to feed a minimum of three times a day to keep the metabolism cranked to burn fat 24/7. First feeding which should be in the morning 5 grams of creatine. Each feeding should be 5 grams everytime.

    Whey Isolate
    You will need atleast 2 times the amount per body weight minimum of whey isolate protein. That means a 50 lb. dog will require 100 grams of isloate. Total protein intake will be 150 grams for a 50 lb dog with 50 grams coming from diet.

    When to feed?

    Morning feed 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    Immediately after workout 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    Just before sleep another 5 grams of creatine and 50 grams of protein.

    To keep the hair, skin shining and looking good add a tablespoon of unsaturatded fats i.e. extra vigin olive oil, flaxseed or vegetable oil with each feeding.
    Not to cause an arguement but I would think the dose before sleep is overkill and usually recommended for humans.

    YIS
    Last edited by Flipside; 09-29-2008 at 09:30 PM.

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    Thanks for the tips guyz....you have really helped me alot....Im feeding my dog yellow corn and meat saw dust and corn oil.......but its hard cutting the fat away from the stomach area can you give me an exercise that cuts the fat away and makes the leg bulky and strong.....like what i have seen in your dogs??? plz.....I NEED HELP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by islao996 View Post
    Thanks for the tips guyz....you have really helped me alot....Im feeding my dog yellow corn and meat saw dust and corn oil.......but its hard cutting the fat away from the stomach area can you give me an exercise that cuts the fat away and makes the leg bulky and strong.....like what i have seen in your dogs??? plz.....I NEED HELP...

    Check your PM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by islao996 View Post
    Thanks for the tips guyz....you have really helped me alot....Im feeding my dog yellow corn and meat saw dust and corn oil.......but its hard cutting the fat away from the stomach area can you give me an exercise that cuts the fat away and makes the leg bulky and strong.....like what i have seen in your dogs??? plz.....I NEED HELP...
    Corn is the worst thing you can feed your dog! They cannot digest it and it causes skin problems. Your dog should be eating a raw diet which consists of chicken, organ meats, bones, greens, eggs and some type of oil for energy such as salmon oil.

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    STP the human body recovers the same way a canine does. While sleeping the body goes into fast mode or a catabolic state. Protein before bedtime slows down and depending what other supplements like ZMA before betime throws the the body in an anabolic state. Without getting too technical protein keeps aminos circulating in the bloodstream longer helping to protect hard earned muscle mass from overnight breakdown.

    I saw somewhere on another conditioning post where the poster recommended feeding less than the dog's daily maintenance caloric intake, this will throw the dog in starvation mode (catabolic state) faster that you can say what the hell happened.

    This why you see railed out dogs that actually lost muscle mass because the body uses it as fuel. When you just complete a balls to the wall workout the last thing you want to do is lose the hard earned muscle your dog just worked so hard for. When you condition a dog you don't want your dog to look like a 4th grader with his shirt off but like Terrell Owens with his off.

    Here is a dog I consider in excellent shape and is about 90% complete. The only thing I would change is eliminating subcutaneous water or the prehistoric dogman term drying out. When you eliminate subcutaneous water the skin will look paper thin like on a bodybuider where you can see just about every vein. On dogs when that layer of water has been cut considerably veins will be very visible especially along the loin area. Ace does have some visible veins but does have room to be more vascular.

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=140311

    Deacon as far as how much protein is absorbed every couple of hours I don't know the answer to that but you can go to youtube and Ronnie Coleman discusses nutrition where his daily protein gram intake is between 500 to 600 grams daily. Considering he is a professional bodybuilder and his livelihood depends on his body I would think consuming that many grams is needed to support his physique.

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    Just feed your dog a top feed & IMO Creatine is $#@! the kidneys. Whey ? Unless you are actually going to show your dog, I feel it's a little early for you to try that out. If you are feeding once per day, as you should be if you are working your dog, you'll need to cut back on feed & add RF1 or whey etc . . . .. Muscle is great, wind is better. I know a dozen guys that are ripped up, but have no air. Again, JMO

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    I have never heard that before. Meat saw dust. Is this bone meal?

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    CrazyHorse....you are right and I agree with you in association for humans training but still think 3 doses a day of creatine is too much for a dog! I work my charge in the evening after work and there post-work-out meal is around 9pm-10pm and I go to bed around 11pm myself. In the morning I give RF-1 and other supplement to sustain them during the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STPFAN View Post
    CrazyHorse....you are right and I agree with you in association for humans training but still think 3 doses a day of creatine is too much for a dog! I work my charge in the evening after work and there post-work-out meal is around 9pm-10pm and I go to bed around 11pm myself. In the morning I give RF-1 and other supplement to sustain them during the day.
    here in the philippines is there such kind of a store selling RF-1???

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    No store...gotta order it from the site!

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    Thanks to all your help....

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